(May 14, 2011 at 9:09 pm)djrams80 Wrote:(May 14, 2011 at 5:31 pm)tackattack Wrote: And your premise gets blown out of the water when you presume theism precludes rationality and objectivity.
I made no presumption of theism regarding rationality and/or objectivity. The reason being that when you teach someone something from birth, you can get that person to believe almost anything. This is why the vast majority of people follow the religion of their parents.
You took 2 unrelated facts and construed them together. What if the theism that they were raised with included rationality and objectivism. Theistic belief has nothing directly to do with rationality or objectivity by nature, just as agnosticism has nothing to do with theism or atheism. Theistic beliefs taught from birth could be rational or irrational, objective or purely subjective, mass hysteria or based on real observation. You and your broad brush you like to paint with just shows your bias.
You're presuming fundamental teachings need to be overcome, because you don't see rationality or objectivity in theism. You're entitled to that opinion. That to me is just as bad as saying gay couples shouldn't raise kids because they can't provide a good nurturing environment.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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