Poor uneducated unintelligent aheists

[djrams80]

And your premise gets blown out of the water when you presume theism precludes rationality and objectivity.

I made no presumption of theism regarding rationality and/or objectivity. The reason being that when you teach someone something from birth, you can get that person to believe almost anything. This is why the vast majority of people follow the religion of their parents.

You took 2 unrelated facts and construed them together. What if the theism that they were raised with included rationality and objectivism. Theistic belief has nothing directly to do with rationality or objectivity by nature, just as agnosticism has nothing to do with theism or atheism. Theistic beliefs taught from birth could be rational or irrational, objective or purely subjective, mass hysteria or based on real observation. You and your broad brush you like to paint with just shows your bias.

You're presuming fundamental teachings need to be overcome, because you don't see rationality or objectivity in theism. You're entitled to that opinion. That to me is just as bad as saying gay couples shouldn't raise kids because they can't provide a good nurturing environment.

My point is that if one is brought up in a belief, that person didn't get a chance to rationally and objectively come up with that belief. That is fundamentally different when compared to how almost all atheists become so. I made no presumption of theism regarding rationality and/or objectivity, because that is rarely the methodology in which people become believers in the first place. The vast majority of believers are indoctrinated into their beliefs during their childhood, by their parents. Like I said, you can teach almost anyone anything from birth and they will probably believe it.

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Yeah...you missed my point.

Again, no, I did not miss your point. It's not that complex.

Lets clear this up. Most educated people stand a better chance of earning a decent income than their uneducated counterparts. it not the atheisms that increases the probabilty of earning more it is the education. i asked how the world would be affected if the uneducated and poor were exposed to and accepted the message of Hitchens and Dawkins I used those two because they both have a proliferate message which has spread beyond academic circles.

Atheist often use themselves as evidence of the intrinsic moral character of atheists. I contend that moral norms are more cultural than anything else and that these norms originate from the religious values of the founders of the society. Poverty and desperation erodes the fiber of morality and social norms. The relationship between moral normatives and poverty is inversely proportional. In the moment of temptation and despair religion provides hope and comfort. If you strip the people of the hope and the comfort you leave them in anger and do nothing to quench the thirst for retribution.

My point is still that the same. Those that are able to break free from the theistic beliefs they were born into, are generally the more independent thinkers within society. Those that have the capacity to think on that level, are generally not the violent criminals. You choose to ignore this and want us to comment on some hypothetical scenario where the generally uneducated magically take on the viewpoint of the generally educated and then come up with some hypothetical outcome which is influenced by your predetermined view that atheists have no morals. That, of course, is ridiculous.