(May 15, 2011 at 1:45 am)Whirling Moat Wrote: Yeah...you missed my point. Lets clear this up. Most educated people stand a better chance of earning a decent income than their uneducated counterparts. it not the atheisms that increases the probabilty of earning more it is the education. i asked how the world would be affected if the uneducated and poor were exposed to and accepted the message of Hitchens and Dawkins I used those two because they both have a proliferate message which has spread beyond academic circles.It seems to me that you are inadvertently making the argument that if we just educated the poor and disenfranchised there would be no need for religion. You have said that you understand that the educated atheists have and understand morality but the poor and uneducated don't so they need something to keep them in line. Your problem disappears if we just educate the uneducated and there is no need to further a mass delusion. So education seems to be the answer to the problem, not mass delusion.
Whirling Moat Wrote:Atheist often use themselves as evidence of the intrinsic moral character of atheists. I contend that moral norms are more cultural than anything else and that these norms originate from the religious values of the founders of the society.Morals are cultural yes, but theists often assume that they must stem from religion. I don't know if it's because you can't see anyone having morals without religion or what your rationalization for this is. The fact is that religion and morals are mutually exclusive. Having morals does not mean you're religious or that they came from the religious. Being religious does not mean you have morals
Whirling Moat Wrote:Poverty and desperation erodes the fiber of morality and social norms. The relationship between moral normatives and poverty is inversely proportional. In the moment of temptation and despair religion provides hope and comfort. If you strip the people of the hope and the comfort you leave them in anger and do nothing to quench the thirst for retribution.
Once again education here is the key. It seems that rather than try to help the poor you want to give them religion to comfort them. As you have said, if we educate them they could be moral atheists, and they would no longer have to be poor.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell