djrams80 Wrote:My point is that if one is brought up in a belief, that person didn't get a chance to rationally and objectively come up with that belief. That is fundamentally different when compared to how almost all atheists become so. I made no presumption of theism regarding rationality and/or objectivity, because that is rarely the methodology in which people become believers in the first place. The vast majority of believers are indoctrinated into their beliefs during their childhood, by their parents. Like I said, you can teach almost anyone anything from birth and they will probably believe it.Agreed, no one starts off with any rational or objective beliefs. It all starts off with a conditioned response to expectations presented. Then when they reach the age of reason they can problem solve less on intuition and grow a better egocentric view. Unfortunately, this is also the age when shame and pride seem far more real. I would say that probably has a great deal to do with accepting or rejecting theism. My point was that I teach my kids theism, rationalism, and try not to put any unrealistic expectations on them. I won't deny that some parents unreasonably force expectations on their children, but even the catholic church has an age requirement for claiming belief. My kids are just kids, they're not theists. When and if they choose to pick that up they can, when they can choose rationally.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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