The "Cultural Context" Excuse
September 4, 2016 at 8:41 am
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2016 at 9:23 am by LadyForCamus.)
(September 3, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: God created everyone knowing full well the outcome (hence why the "lamb" was slain before the foundation of the world), That doesn't mean the outcome was according to his will. God already knew us, because we were part of him (just as Eve was taken from Adam's side, Jesus also has a wound in his side, representing the we are his bride and part of his body), but he desired to have fellowship with us on equal terms, hence why he made us in his own image, and gave us our OWN will.
All you did here is restate the original contradiction using different words, and some flowery biblical rhetoric. If God had a "will" or "desire" for us to be a certain way (fellows with him on equal terms) but knew inherently (as well as he knew himself) that we couldn't possibly live up to his ideal, than his power is limited because he failed to make us what he wished for us, and we bear NO burden of responsibility for his failure. If I beat my cat because he just won't learn to sing the pledge of allegiance, is it his fault? Is this "just" of me? [emoji848]
Quote:God put Adam and Eve here and gave them the best protection that he could give them, which was his word:
"Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
As long as they stayed with the word they were fine, Adam could not be deceived but Eve being a 'part' of Adam meant she was a byproduct, she was not part of the original creation, therefore was susceptible to being deceived. Jesus was also tempted of the devil, but he stayed behind the Word replying: "It is written..." to every tactic the devil had, proving that the word is the best protection one can have.
See my response above.
Quote:While it is true God knew we were going to mess up, he loved us so much that he provided a way back before the world was ever created (remember when I said the the "lamb" was slain before the foundation of the world?). So you have every opportunity to change and live according to the will of God, but nooo, you CHOOSE to live according to your own will.
Again...we didn't mess up. We behaved exactly according to our nature; the nature that God knew before-hand; knew as well as he knew himself, according to you. We shouldn't need any "way back". It's not humanity's fault that god's pet project went south.
Quote:Even in the days of Noah he provided a way out, which was the Ark, anyone that wanted to escape could just get in. Jesus Christ is OUR ark, just get in...
Omni-benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent. You've got to make a choice here, because you don't (logically) get all three.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.