(September 5, 2016 at 7:56 am)SerenelyBlue Wrote: I am intimidated by the fine tuning argument. In the past I subscribed to the "god of the gaps" view, but now I am more sensible. I believe, or want to believe, that the universe has a natural beginning and it makes sense to me that the universe probably went through a many versions before this one originated.
Are there any people here who believe in the multiverse, or at least think it is a viable option?
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Why? "Fine tuning" is a bullshit argument. The theist is still stuck with the multitude of god claims in human history. And if their claim is everything has a creator, then something had to create their God, and that God also had to have a creator, and so on, that is the problem with "Infinite regress".
The argument in science isn't infinite or finite requiring a super cognition. Trying to slap a cosmic factory boss sky wizard as a gap answer is simply bullshit. If science worked like that then Thor would be a valid gap answer to explain lightening. If science worked like that then Poseidon would be a valid explanation for hurricanes.
None of what we have yet to discover needs a super cognition as a starting point.
The reason god/God/super natural/deity claims exist, isn't because they are real or valid, but because humans have flawed perceptions that lead them to project their own qualities on non human objects or events.
Humans are NOT the center of the planet or the universe. Our planet has had 5 mass extinctions in its 4 billion year history, and in 5 billion years our sun will fry our planet, and the universe will go on with no record of our existence or the fictional gods we make up. Our sun, is only one star of billions in our galaxy. A galaxy so big it takes 1 ray of light at the speed of light to cross, in a 13.8 billion year old universe full of 100s of billions of galaxies.
We have stars we have found that make our sun look like the size of a pea. We have scientific tools that have detected 3 billion year old gravitational waves from a black hole. Now I find it patently absurd to claim a master toy maker putting us in all this empty space on a very hostile planet full of natural disasters and disease, childhood famine, as well as child molestation and murder, and adult crime and war, in a solar system that has taken scientists 40 years to get a very slow object out of our solar system.
That seems to me not to be "fine tuning" but the crap shoot reality is that we merely are riding in. I think you don't need to assume a sky wizard one bit Dont mistake our natural ability to discover and figure things out as being divinely handed to us.
