Poor uneducated unintelligent aheists

[popeyespappy]

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No Tack, I don’t see the laughability of my argument because you are doing exactly what I said in my first post. You are choosing the passage that best fits your thoughts from among contradictory passages. Jesus also said:


"Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

You too are cherry picking. You have chosen the passages that best fit what you want the Bible to be. You ignore the things you don’t like. I won’t argue that you have chosen poorly in this extreme example because you haven't, but the fact remains that you have chosen. You have cherry picked that which suits you and disregarded that which does not. Something all Christians are forced to do.

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No it wasn't cherry picking, I didn't list every single verse because they are just replicating things you've already said, and I agreed that the Bible said that. I hadn't listed the Matthew 5 verses because I also agree with them as a Christian by default. You're absolutely right, Jesus did not come to abolish or change the law of God. He clearly saw it being abused in many cases though and corrected our misuse of the law. When the Pharisees attempted to trip him with the law and asked him which is best, knowing that the real messiah was here as fulfillment of all the law, Jesus used the verses I quoted. That clearly indicated that by loving each other as we wanted to be loved and Loving God with our heart, soul and mind we would be fulfillment of the law God decreed. No more was there need for atonement from the law of Moses, because he was the greatest sacrifice, and they're not necessary now.

You still did not respond, so before this gets really convoluted and tautological answer my question: How do you interpret the meaning when factoring in all the verses you and I both quoted? You call them contradictory because they're not on your side of the argument. They're all talking about the Law of God, which I cited above so they're all relevant, they're only contradictory if you deny they're relevant.

Your right. In this case “kill your children” and “you shall not kill” are not contradictory. However this is only because the word kill in “you shall not kill” is a mistranslation. The word kill should instead be the word murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is not necessarily unlawful therefore it does not have to be murder. You can kill someone without murdering them but cannot murder someone without killing them.

I often hear the argument of killing versus murder from Christians when discussing an order from God to kill. An example of this is the sacking of Jericho. The argument is that the order from God to the Israelites to kill all the inhabitants of Jericho including men, women, old and young the killing was lawful. The reasoning being that any command from God is lawful therefore the killing was not murder.

According to the Old Testament you should kill your rebellious children. The commandment “You shall not murder” does not apply in this instance because any order from God is lawful therefore not murder which is by definition an unlawful act. The New Testament explicitly reaffirms that a parent should kill their insolent children. Despite these instructions you have managed to cherry pick the “you shall not kill” passage out of the Bible in order to justify not killing rebellious and insolent children. In doing so you have chosen a more modern morality over that of the ancient savages that recorded your holy books. For this I applaud you.