(September 9, 2016 at 2:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(September 9, 2016 at 2:24 pm)ScienceAf Wrote: How come there was constant super natural convention before the invention of the camera?
Or proper historical documentation?
Or advances in science?
We would be humans.
We would be able to love and care.
Just not hurt.
And If god was all knowing and all powerful...
Couldn't he just devise a plan to make it so there would be no evil but in a way without affecting free will?
He should be able to.
And why should god make humans.
How are we his best creation.
He's fucking god for Christ's sake (literally).
He could make something infinitely awesome minus one just below him.
And he would be able to break math.
Cuz he is gawd.
It's sort of along the lines of, can there be real joy, and understanding and appreciation of that joy, without there being sadness? Can there be pleasure without pain? Can there be love without hate? What would be the point of having the free will to do something loving for another without the free will to do something unloving to that person? Even if that unloving thing is merely neglect?
Unlike many Christians out there, I don't necessarily believe everything that happens happens "for a reason" or as part of some master plan. In the grand scheme of things, yes, but not necessarily for specific, individual scenarios.
This belief of mine was put to the test recently when I lost my first (and only) child, who's heart stopped beating inside my womb when I was almost 6 months pregnant. It was an extremely hard pregnancy in which I had non stop sickness the whole time, had to put many things on hold, and even battled some depression for the first time in my life. ...All that, only to have it end in the stillbirth of my baby.
I wanted to think there was a "reason" for it, or that God specifically had a plan for me and "did" this to me on purpose for some reason. But I can't and won't bring myself to believe that's the case. Rather, I think God just allows nature to take its coarse. These things just happen sometimes. People die, even babies. It's very very sad for us, but at the end of the day it's part of life and part of how our world works. God wasn't trying to test me or to teach me a lesson. The only "grand plan" God has in this is that we eventually move on to the next life. So it is with everything else, I think.
But shouldn't god be able to create pleasure without pain?
He's all powerful and knowing so he can create it if he was there.
And denying us that would be very immoral.
Like denying a human freedom.
Your beliefs make sense (more than others) but I still don't understand why god would allow pain and sadness when he could do something about it.
If you had the choice to save someone dying in front of you, but you didn't...
What would that say about you?
Even if the person is evil... (there is a limit in our moral standards) and hurt people but can rehabilitated, why not?
People like Osama Bin Laden should burn forever...
But what about people who don't believe?
Succumb to lust (consensual and under the law)?
Drink abit of beer or get high?
Or if their gay?
Or polygamous (with consent)?
What about them?
Sadly, things happen and we can't do anything about it.
But god should.
I would have had a older sister or brother but he or she died in my mum's womb at one month.
Well, I consider her a sister because I always wanted one.
But either way, even if god doesn't have a master plan (like you believe, overall), what difference does it make when it comes to people dying everyday in pain and suffering.
He can do something about it.
If he can't he's not all powerful.
If he's not going to do it and he's not all powerful...
Then why call him god?
