RE: Qualia Soup "Putting Faith In Its Place"
May 23, 2011 at 10:17 pm
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2011 at 10:19 pm by Welsh cake.)
(May 22, 2011 at 12:05 pm)Whirling Moat Wrote: Here is a quote taken from 00:52 of the video "Without evidence from the cube itself, we can only ever make valid justifiable statements about what is not inside the cube"No, this simple trail of logic and deductive reasoning renders any presupposition of a magical being that created the universe without evidence as a groundless claim and ultimately unknowable.
He goes on to say at 01:12 "What if we were talking about a realm of existence independant of universe that like the cube is physically inaccesible to us, would things be different, would we be able to deduce precisely what occupies such a realm.."
According to his logic any statement about what the object must be is flawed since without looking into the cube the possiblities are endless. This is very ridiculous when you apply this reasoning to the being which created the universe.
Replace the cube analogy with say, my clenched fist and I ask you "What am I holding in my hand?", without any evidence you have no basis to assert anything, be it a shiny coin, or nothing at all, but you may infer logic to remove what is impossible for me to be carrying, for example it is impossible for the fictional monster Godzilla to be in my hand hidden from your view.
Like the cube, the point of the thought experiment was to show without evidence the only intellectually honest response you can give about what I am holding onto is "I don't know".
Quote:If we are asking "Who created the process by which everything comes into existence" the possibilities for what is inside the cube is limited not endless.Why a who? Why do you ask "Who" created the process by which reality can come to be and not "What".
Quote:There could be no wooden spoon or ant or egg or anything else in there...You are missing the point of the experiment, wooden spoons, ants or eggs are not logically impossible, they manifest in reality, they actually do exist, we gave them labels and definitions. You have no basis to remove these logically possible items from the list of what might be inside the cube without evidence first.
Quote:The question would be, "What created everything?" Are the possibilities endless? No....We would have to subtract from the possibilities everything which cannot be proven to exist independent of physical processes. That leaves us with one real thing-Consciousness. Consciousnesss must be in the box.....Consciousness without a mind? Okaaay... ~.~