(September 23, 2016 at 11:37 am)Faith No More Wrote: If an uncaused universe causes you trouble, why wouldn't an uncaused conscious entity with magical powers cause you that same trouble?
Remember, the cosmological argument started out as a blatant attempt at special pleading only to have an ad hoc revision added later to avoid that. That's your first indication that something is amiss.
Also, the cosmological argument takes what is a temporal principle, i.e. all effects must be preceded in time by a cause, and attempts to apply that to when time does not exist. How can you safely apply the principle of cause and effect when there literally is no space-time for a cause to precede its effect?
1: because this first cause, whatever it might be doesn't need to follow or rules of causation because it is somehow different, the way it is from outside our dimension of time already makes it more plausible to me for it to exist on a uncaused way.
2: Yes i'm aware, and i'm completely against using the cosmological argument as a theist argument as this would be just stupid, but instead I use it to see it would make a lot of sense for us to have a) infinite regression of causation b) a first cause that its somehow special in a sense that it would be from outside of causation rule.
3: It would have be some sort of "cause from outside of time", the first cause its different from everything else exactly in that, it is the phenomena started time and started the causation chain.
