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Am I a Deist? Cosmological Argument seems reasonable to me.
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RE: Am I a Deist? Cosmological Argument seems reasonable to me.
(September 23, 2016 at 12:43 pm)_Velvet_ Wrote:
(September 23, 2016 at 12:29 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Also, the cosmological argument is self-defeating. If a god can exist without a prior cause, then why can't the universe?

This is one of the classic refutations that I just don't think it holds.

A god could come to existance without a prior cause because he would be able to do godlike shit like creating himself or some other magical and non-sensical stuff that natural things just can't do (or at least wouldn't be reasonable to expect they would)

You're excuse is magic. Non-sensical magic. Operating on a preexisting temporal plane. Orchestrated by a disembodied humanoid mind.

Quote:While an universe coming into existance without a prior cause doesn't really make sense (not saying its impossible but I just don't think it would make any sense for it do suddenly come into existance)

You're thinking of the origins of the universe in linear terms, in terms you as a resident of the universe naturally gravitate to. That you think of a god as inherently temporal (engaging in self-creation etc.) speaks to this. There was no 'prior' to the universe, the universe didn't pop out of some previous state of non-existence because non-existence doesn't exist.
The laws of cause and effect apply to the universe, they don't apply to nothingness because nothing applies to nothingness because nothing doesn't exist.
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RE: Am I a Deist? Cosmological Argument seems reasonable to me. - by ApeNotKillApe - September 23, 2016 at 1:12 pm

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