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On some occasions, for the sake of argument I argue for the supernatural, however, the most accurate representation of my position is that there are no real supernatural events. All activity is natural, however all activity does not comply with the rules which govern material activity. In this sense materialists have hijacked the word "Nature" .
I am arguing that Consciousness has a relationship with material, however, it survives this relationship and it also preceded the relationship.
There are those who have vehemently argued that the brain produces consciousness, however, studies conducted by the scientific community have demonstrated that while the brain is dead, and the heart is not functioning, in many reported cases consciousness survives. I posted a link to a lecture given by Dr. Parnia relating to his investigation into near Death Experiences and the temporary survival of consciousness while a person is clinically dead. No Brain activity or heart function, no other functions of the organs.. If you listen carefully to the last 45 seconds of this video you will hear Dr. Parnia say that he and other Doctors have conducted studies wherein people who were dead were resuscitated and were able to report with great accuracy exactly what was happening in the room.
I think this thread before it is over will help convince you that consciousness exists...
Whirling Moat
Quote:Ok, so you're arguing for something that's independent of natural processes in that first paragraph, it's supernatural/magic, gotcha.
On some occasions, for the sake of argument I argue for the supernatural, however, the most accurate representation of my position is that there are no real supernatural events. All activity is natural, however all activity does not comply with the rules which govern material activity. In this sense materialists have hijacked the word "Nature" .
Quote:You argue that all things that can't be proven to exist in a state independent of physical processes, should be discounted, and then go on to argue for the existence of a consciousness. Am I to infer that consciousness HAS been proven to exist independent of physical processes (proof please)? So you're arguing for the existence of a consciousness, which isn't natural, but supernatural?
I am arguing that Consciousness has a relationship with material, however, it survives this relationship and it also preceded the relationship.
There are those who have vehemently argued that the brain produces consciousness, however, studies conducted by the scientific community have demonstrated that while the brain is dead, and the heart is not functioning, in many reported cases consciousness survives. I posted a link to a lecture given by Dr. Parnia relating to his investigation into near Death Experiences and the temporary survival of consciousness while a person is clinically dead. No Brain activity or heart function, no other functions of the organs.. If you listen carefully to the last 45 seconds of this video you will hear Dr. Parnia say that he and other Doctors have conducted studies wherein people who were dead were resuscitated and were able to report with great accuracy exactly what was happening in the room.
Quote:Also: Why are you discounting thing's that can't be proven (Especially when it can't be proven that this consciousness exists)? It can't be proven to exist, nor can it be proven to not exist, unless it is impossible (triangles with 7 sides and what-have-you).
I think this thread before it is over will help convince you that consciousness exists...
Whirling Moat
