RE: Qualia Soup "Putting Faith In Its Place"
May 26, 2011 at 10:00 am
(This post was last modified: May 26, 2011 at 11:09 am by Whirling Moat.)
Peace...
I completely get the analogy, the cube, the fist..yeah I get it...Without having evidence there is no point at which to reasonbly begin guessing. Got it...
Now..Let say we stick with your clenched fist and we begin reducing the possibilities by everythingelse in the world, and then the solar system, and then the galaxy, and then the cluster of galaxies, and then we say everything in the universe except your clinced fist and lets say Eli Manning's Superbowl ring..Thats it..Now what is in your clinched fist?
Okay..."What"..doesn't change much, but okay..
You are missing the point...lets say the question was asked about the cube at .00001 seconds after the rupture of the Singularity...It would very unreasonable to say that a spoon or egg or anything of the would be in the box. The question we are trying to figure out is what is in the box where nothing created existed? The only reasonalbe choice would be to place in the box the only reality which would not have resulted by the material creation of the Universe..like beauty, meaning, et al...The only problem would be the argument that all of these things exist because of materiality...We can have these discussions, however we have to get to this point first.
Whirling Moat
Quote:Replace the cube analogy with say, my clenched fist and I ask you "What am I holding in my hand?", without any evidence you have no basis to assert anything, be it a shiny coin, or nothing at all, but you may infer logic to remove what is impossible for me to be carrying, for example it is impossible for the fictional monster Godzilla to be in my hand hidden from your view.
I completely get the analogy, the cube, the fist..yeah I get it...Without having evidence there is no point at which to reasonbly begin guessing. Got it...
Now..Let say we stick with your clenched fist and we begin reducing the possibilities by everythingelse in the world, and then the solar system, and then the galaxy, and then the cluster of galaxies, and then we say everything in the universe except your clinced fist and lets say Eli Manning's Superbowl ring..Thats it..Now what is in your clinched fist?
Quote:Why a who? Why do you ask "Who" created the process by which reality can come to be and not "What".
Okay..."What"..doesn't change much, but okay..
Quote:You are missing the point of the experiment, wooden spoons, ants or eggs are not logically impossible, they manifest in reality, they actually do exist, we gave them labels and definitions. You have no basis to remove these logically possible items from the list of what might be inside the cube without evidence first.
You are missing the point...lets say the question was asked about the cube at .00001 seconds after the rupture of the Singularity...It would very unreasonable to say that a spoon or egg or anything of the would be in the box. The question we are trying to figure out is what is in the box where nothing created existed? The only reasonalbe choice would be to place in the box the only reality which would not have resulted by the material creation of the Universe..like beauty, meaning, et al...The only problem would be the argument that all of these things exist because of materiality...We can have these discussions, however we have to get to this point first.
Whirling Moat
