RE: Why materialists are predominantly materialists
September 28, 2016 at 2:48 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2016 at 3:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 27, 2016 at 8:07 am)bennyboy Wrote: Literally everything in the human experience is NOT explained by any of the frameworks on which the human context supervenes.If you say so, I guess.
Quote:What things are like to experience, complex ideas, dreams, emotions. . . none of it is usefully informed by what's happening at the quantum level.I don't think so either, or...very accurately, I think it would be ancillary. We know some of the ways that things at our scale of resolution can manipulate information. I'd exhaust those familiar methods before I proposed an as yet unobserved/un-demonstrated quantum consciousness myself.
Quote:That's fine, and you and I will never agree on this. When I'm writing music, I imagine a few different sounds, and I put them together in an idea space that I call the mind. That's the reality of music-making.I don't know why you think we don't agree on this?
Quote:You can talk about how it's the brain doing stuff, and that's fine-- you can go into the brain, follow that complex dance of neurons as they interact, and will completely fail to learn anything about how to compose good music.Again, if you say so, I guess?
Quote:That's because it is the ideas which are interacting which other in their context, and the brain functions on which those ideas, and their interactions, supervene.Are ideas interacting, how might they do that? By what means? According to what principles? What is their context? What purpose does the separation between functions or ideas or experiences and structures serve....could they not be the same? Why not? I'm going to need more than your insistence. I have an example that violates that separation right here in front of me, so obviously, it's something that computer stuff can do. Tell me why brain stuff or idea stuff can't do that, or why it has to be different, or why you think it is different?
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