RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith
October 7, 2016 at 3:20 am
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2016 at 3:27 am by ray3400.)
(October 7, 2016 at 2:50 am)LastPoet Wrote:(October 7, 2016 at 2:37 am)ray3400 Wrote: So I will ask the atheist:
Have you formally disproved God?
And the atheist says to me:
No, that's incredibly difficult, and perhaps even impossible.
I reply:
Does the difficulty of the process exempt you from having the disprove something to call it disproved?
Is something that is impossible to disprove automatically assumed to be false in every case?
The atheist:
No.
I reply:
You have not logically or factually disproved God.
Not all things that are impossible to disprove are assumed to be false.
Therefore, it takes faith to believe the assertion "God does not exist".
The atheist:
Can you formally prove God does exist?
I reply:
As far as I know there is not a mathematical proof of God, the theists require faith as well.
And so:
The christians, in their faith, proclaim "God is real".
The atheists, in their faith, proclaim "God is fake".
You must have faith that the tooth fairy or santa claus don't exist huh?
No, its called the burden of proof. It is up for those that claim something to exist to show others said thing exist.
Good try on the old "atjeists have faith too" canard. You guys never bring something new to the table, like, Evidence for your god claims. Heck, you cant even properly define what a god is.
Most of this is ad hominems, but I will respond to the one rebuttal you made:
"No, its called the burden of proof. It is up for those that claim something to exist to show others said thing exist."
The idea of a "burden of proof" is a matter of preference.
Just because one is not able to prove something, does not necessarily mean it isn't true.
The one who says "God does not exist" is presenting an assertion that can either be true of false. Therefore, for that statement to be accepted as true, it must be proven to be true, or the opposite of the statement can be proven to be false, or proof by contradiction.
(October 7, 2016 at 3:17 am)LastPoet Wrote: That wich is Asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
It doesn't require faith. Faith is believing something without evidence. Disbelief requires therefore no faith. Pretty easy.
"That wich is Asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
The idea of a "burden of proof" is a matter of preference.
Just because one is not able to prove something, does not necessarily mean it isn't true.
"It doesn't require faith. Faith is believing something without evidence. Disbelief requires therefore no faith. Pretty easy."
I would say you do believe in something, you believe "There is no God".
I am proposing that the only way to be 100% certain of this assertion is to formally disprove God. Do you have a formal disproof of God?