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Thoughts On Atheism and Faith
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith
(October 7, 2016 at 3:20 am)ray3400 Wrote:
(October 7, 2016 at 2:50 am)LastPoet Wrote: You must have faith that the tooth fairy or santa claus don't exist huh?

No, its called the burden of proof. It is up for those that claim something to exist to show others said thing exist.

Good try on the old "atjeists have faith too" canard. You guys never bring something new to the table, like, Evidence for your god claims. Heck, you cant even properly define what a god is.

Most of this is ad hominems, but I will respond to the one rebuttal you made:


"No, its called the burden of proof. It is up for those that claim something to exist to show others said thing exist."


The idea of a "burden of proof" is a matter of preference.
Just because one is not able to prove something, does not necessarily mean it isn't true.

The one who says "God does not exist" is presenting an assertion that can either be true of false. Therefore, for that statement to be accepted as true, it must be proven to be true, or the opposite of the statement can be proven to be false, or proof by contradiction.

(October 7, 2016 at 3:17 am)LastPoet Wrote: That wich is Asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

It doesn't require faith. Faith is believing something without evidence. Disbelief requires therefore no faith. Pretty easy.


"That wich is Asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

The idea of a "burden of proof" is a matter of preference.
Just because one is not able to prove something, does not necessarily mean it isn't true.


"It doesn't require faith. Faith is believing something without evidence. Disbelief requires therefore no faith. Pretty easy."
I would say you do believe in something, you believe "There is no God".
I am proposing that the only way to be 100% certain of this assertion is to formally disprove God. Do you have a formal disproof of God?

Ray, you're engaging in a bit of strawmanning yourself. No one here, as far as I know, is an absolute atheist. All of us are agnostic atheists. What that means is, we're not 100% on the non-belief scale concerning God(s) in general. Some of us can say with 100% that certain types of God(s) don't exist, however. The only evidence we have for that is that they are logically impossible and self-contradictory, the way they are described in their holy books. That's all the evidence you need, really, if evidence is to even mean anything at all in this world.
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Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:05 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 7:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:20 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 4:46 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:09 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:27 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jackalope - October 7, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 5:12 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 7, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 5:41 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 6:14 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 6:46 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 7:05 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 7:20 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 7, 2016 at 9:36 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 9:41 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 7, 2016 at 11:17 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 11:28 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 7, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 4:52 pm
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by KevinM1 - October 7, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:34 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Iroscato - October 8, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 6:38 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by brewer - October 7, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Angrboda - October 7, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LostLocke - October 7, 2016 at 6:56 pm
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Silver - October 7, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 11:57 pm
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:52 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 9, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 9, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 9, 2016 at 7:16 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 9, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 9, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 9, 2016 at 2:17 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 10, 2016 at 2:40 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 9, 2016 at 6:44 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 5:52 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 7:22 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 1:54 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by henryp - October 12, 2016 at 4:35 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 9, 2016 at 6:32 pm

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