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Thoughts On Atheism and Faith
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith
(October 8, 2016 at 1:52 am)robvalue Wrote: Clearly this guy was indoctrinated with fear. It's a really sad thing to see. He's living his life afraid of something that doesn't exist, yet is so eager to serve it, he'll come preach to a load of atheists.

He thinks this stuff is just true, reality be damned. To him, it is real. I don't deny that. Can he ever snap out of it? Sure, I don't think it's ever too late. But you have to have the will to really dig up your beliefs and root around in them. That's hard to do when you're shit scared of your master.

I have learned both the God of fear, and the God of love.
I assure you, the God of fear is no God at all, but a notion pushed forth by the forces of evil. The God of fear is a decoy, built on falsehood and deception for the purpose of driving people away from the God of love, to deprive them of life itself.

I would suspect intellectuals would be open to hearing new ideas. Not in the sense that the new ideas shouldn't be criticized, but that they can be entertained for the purposes of discussion. If this were to be true, I would ask the atheists to entertain the existence of a spiritual realm, and to imagine its implications. A realm that cannot be seen in the physical, but perhaps can be fathomed by humans nonetheless.
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How can we prove by the physical that which exists beyond the physical? Would we be guaranteed such a proof if the spiritual did exist?

Is the inability to prove the spiritual using the physical an excuse to avoid naturalism and the scientist? Have we yet learned the limitations of the scientist to know that their is nothing beyond their ways?

So if we were to suspend the necessity of naturalism, to entertain the idea of the spiritual, what would we find? Perhaps we would find some truth by entertaining the idea of the spiritual, or perhaps not, either way it may be beneficial to attempt to experience reality beyond the limitations of naturalism.

What would good and evil look like though the spiritual eye?
Could their be forces, swaying the tides of society in such a way, in a perceivable pattern?
A pattern that probability alone would not dictate, and thus, the influence of the unseen is at work.
Good has its root, and its tree with its branches and leaves.
Evil is likewise, but insists on being the inversion of good.
Why must evil insist on such an inversion, or good do the same of evil?
And thus, good being a helping hand, and the hand of evil being the means of destruction.
Why must such a contrast be in our universe and be known to us?
It was made known to us by our minds, and was with us from our beginnings.

What is consciousness?
By what method does one experience their own consciousness and not the consciousness of another?
Why must I experience my own consciousness and not the consciousness of my cat?
Who am "I" in this scenario? Am I beyond my consciousness or am I my consciousness itself?
What would it be like to experience the consciousness of a cat?

What would it be, the thing that connects the spiritual to the physical?
Should it be the mind, the brain?
By what means does one experience what he has not seen, and feel what he has not felt?
Those in their slumber can walk on the plane of the imagination, in realm of the intangible.
Those who alter their mind, alter their perception of reality, and the intangible things of the mind become perceived reality.
Where do such things of the mind come from, if one has never obtained them from the physical?
What is the realm of the mind?
A container of the intangible by which we perceive the tangible?

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With that said, I've pretty much expressed all that I wanted to in this thread. I know some of you don't care, and don't like my expression. I'm alright with that, as I am a believer in the individual and coming to you own conclusions. Though in some sense we are all going through the human experience, and I would assume are all seeking truth in some way, so in that we can maybe have some solidarity. Either way I appreciate your comments and taking the time to participate in the discussion. Unfortunately the demands of the "real world" call and I no longer have much time to respond to this thread.
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Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:05 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 7:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:20 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 4:46 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:09 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:27 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jackalope - October 7, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 5:12 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 7, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 5:41 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 6:14 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 6:46 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 7:05 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 7:21 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:25 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 7, 2016 at 7:28 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by brewer - October 7, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by vorlon13 - October 7, 2016 at 9:27 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 7, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Cato - October 7, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 9, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 7, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 7, 2016 at 11:17 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 7, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by purplepurpose - October 7, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 11:28 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 7, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Crossless1 - October 7, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by downbeatplumb - October 7, 2016 at 11:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 7, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 7, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by KevinM1 - October 7, 2016 at 6:03 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 6:07 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Iroscato - October 7, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Kernel Sohcahtoa - October 7, 2016 at 6:53 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Arkilogue - October 7, 2016 at 7:06 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by brewer - October 7, 2016 at 7:13 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 7, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by KevinM1 - October 7, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:34 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Iroscato - October 8, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 6:38 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by brewer - October 7, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Angrboda - October 7, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LostLocke - October 7, 2016 at 6:56 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 7, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Silver - October 7, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 11:57 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 8, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sterben - October 8, 2016 at 12:16 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Astreja - October 8, 2016 at 12:43 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:29 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:52 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 9, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 9, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 9, 2016 at 7:16 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Angrboda - October 9, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 9, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Cato - October 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 9, 2016 at 5:18 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 9, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 9, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 9, 2016 at 2:17 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 10, 2016 at 2:40 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 9, 2016 at 6:44 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 5:52 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 7:22 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 1:54 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by henryp - October 12, 2016 at 4:35 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 9, 2016 at 6:32 pm

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