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God sees - strongest argument for God.....
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RE: God sees - strongest argument for God.....
(October 15, 2016 at 12:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:  I also argue it's obvious we are not just a subjective concept that has no reality. We know this or we wouldn't even estimate ourselves or take some sort of guess of who others are.

Saying that something is obvious is not arguing for the case. I disagree that there is such a thing as objective identity. That your intuition tells you something different is not an argument that what you believe is true. If identity is a subjective reality, a product of the subconscious mind, the subconscious provides a representation of who we are to ourselves. We make similar judgements about other minds. I judge that you are intelligent because I observe indications in your behavior that you are intelligent. This perception of you could be completely wrong. I don't have complete information about you. Yet I still construct an identity for you based on the things you've revealed about yourself. You're young, Muslim, studying computers, etc. In the same way, your own brain constructs an identity for you. It's not objective, it's based in your actions, capabilities, and decisions. Nothing about this suggests that an external perceiver is necessary for us to be aware of our identity. Even if our identity is objective, which I don't buy, that doesn't demonstrate that we need some external referent to be aware of this objective identity. You've just strung together a bunch of bare assertions, all of which seem intuitively obvious to you. And this seems to be the sticking point in all your arguments, that if something seems intuitively real to you then it necessarily is real. But I don't agree that these things that you say are obvious are in fact obvious. And that breaks the argument. Since I don't agree with your premises, and I don't, then your conclusion, God, doesn't follow.
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God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by MysticKnight - October 15, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Chad32 - October 15, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Astreja - October 15, 2016 at 9:55 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by chimp3 - October 15, 2016 at 1:13 pm
God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by LadyForCamus - October 15, 2016 at 1:17 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Angrboda - October 15, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Angrboda - October 15, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Chad32 - October 15, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Chad32 - October 15, 2016 at 5:14 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Chad32 - October 15, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Jenny A - October 22, 2016 at 2:32 am
God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by LadyForCamus - October 15, 2016 at 1:53 pm
God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by LadyForCamus - October 15, 2016 at 2:33 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Chas - October 15, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by brewer - October 15, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Arkilogue - October 15, 2016 at 10:02 pm
God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by LadyForCamus - October 15, 2016 at 9:58 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Arkilogue - October 15, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Silver - October 17, 2016 at 3:24 am
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by bennyboy - October 17, 2016 at 3:22 am
God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by LadyForCamus - October 15, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by LastPoet - October 18, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: God sees - strongest argument for God..... - by Grandizer - November 3, 2016 at 11:54 am

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