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Breaking down the "God sees argument"

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Breaking down the "God sees argument"
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Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 12:45 pm
Ok there is a mess of a thread to deal with now. I will formulate the argument differently, and we will go one step at a time.

1. We either objectively exist or we don't objectively exist.

Let us not move on, before we understand what is meant.

What I mean by we of course is not hands or feet or body, but that experience we constantly call "I".

Let me know if any objects to this 1st premise.
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 12:46 pm
Or both, if you're a feline and in a box... Tongue
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 12:49 pm
(October 23, 2016 at 12:46 pm)Vic Wrote: Or both, if you're a feline and in a box... Tongue

I think it's obvious one is the negation of the other. They can't both be true. I know your joking, but maybe, you think this is not an obvious premise. Atheists from my experience like to "question" everything, and hence cannot move from one premise to another until proven to them. So if we have to discuss the law of contradiction and what logic is, we will.  Otherwise this premise should stand.
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 1:06 pm
(October 23, 2016 at 12:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. We either objectively exist or we don't objectively exist.

In what sense could we not objectively exist?

Even our subjectivity objectively exists. Unless you consider imaginary things to be nonexistent but then... doesn't the imagination exist and isn't it just the totality of imaginary stuff within our minds?
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 1:11 pm
(October 23, 2016 at 1:06 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(October 23, 2016 at 12:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. We either objectively exist or we don't objectively exist.

In what sense could we not objectively exist?

Even our subjectivity objectively exists. Unless you consider imaginary things to be nonexistent but then... doesn't the imagination exist and isn't it just the totality of imaginary stuff within our minds?

The premise was not that we could possibly not objectively exist. It's either a premise that either we do objectively exist or we don't objectively exist.
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 1:13 pm
I didn't say otherwise. I'm asking how it's an either/or. How is it even possible for us to not objectively exist?
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 1:14 pm (This post was last modified: October 23, 2016 at 1:14 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
The premise should be "we objectively exist" as far as I'm concerned [emoji4]
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 1:24 pm
What is the difference between we "objectively exist" vs. "we exist" ? Why the embellishment?
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm (This post was last modified: October 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm by ApeNotKillApe.)
Third option: We probably exist.
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RE: Breaking down the "God sees argument"
October 23, 2016 at 1:38 pm
In the quantum sense of probably.
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