(October 15, 2016 at 12:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The strongest argument that is repeated in many verses in Quran is that God witnesses all things and as such no doubt he Exists.
Now this may seem circular, but is it really?
It maybe said we need to know God exists to know he sees all things. How else would we know this attribute of God without knowing God himself and his attributes?
Well, I think if we break it down:
1. We require perception for our identity
2. We have an objective identity.
3. Our perception is not what defines our objective identity.
4. All spiritual identities need an accurate perception.
5. The ultimate possible perception would be more accurate than all other perceptions.
6. The ultimate possible perception is thus what gives us an objective identity.
As for 1, it can be argued our thoughts, our deeds, they all require a state of conscious. Our concept of ourselves also requires a perception. But are we that which defines the level of our deeds, the quality of our actions, or is there a judgement beyond ours that defines our deeds? Makes us inherit our deeds.
The Quran often emphasizes who better as a judge than God?
I also argue it's obvious we are not just a subjective concept that has no reality. We know this or we wouldn't even estimate ourselves or take some sort of guess of who others are.
It is also obvious that the real deed and our real hidden secret deep within us behind our actions has to be seen through an absolute accurate perspective. And we know through our nature that as far as this goes, we human deep inside know perfect perception requires absolute knowledge of what it means to be good. For example, suppose a person is higher then all of us in good deeds. How will our lower perception judge what he is. All possible levels of goodness thus be known and seen by this perceiver.
We constantly act as if there is a judge who makes us inherit our actions. We just don't focus to realize it. But this perception is something we cannot not assume. Even Atheist subconsciously are acting on this perceiver existing and making them inherit their deeds and other people inheriting their deeds.
In my belief, this is probably the strongest most potent argument for God. Because you have to deny yourself having an objective existence or say that it somehow it exists independent of your perception but also independent of any perception, both which are equally illogical.
Thank you for your time, with peace and blessings!
MK, I will say this in the most honest way: bullshit.
Other than that, it saddens me to see a good guy falling for such infantility. It is what it is and you must have motive to consider such a mindfuck anywhere near reality.
Best wishes. Its all I have to say. Mabe one day you will find that no one cares what you believe, and you have no business telling others WHAT to believe.
How is your marriage going?
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