God sees - strongest argument for God.....

[Mudhammam]

The strongest argument that is repeated in many verses in Quran

Given that this is a book with talking birds and ants, I wouldn't try to persuade others by setting the bar so low for yourself.

is that God witnesses all things and as such no doubt he Exists.

And yet, I, and millions of others like me, have our doubts.

Now this may seem circular, but is it really?

Oh. That was an argument. Well, yes, it is.

It maybe said we need to know God exists to know he sees all things.

What's more, we need to know that a God who sees all things exists to know that both a God exists and that he sees all things.

 How else would we know this attribute of God without knowing God himself and his attributes?

Precisely!

Well, I think if we break it down:

1. We require perception for our identity
2. We have an objective identity.

What's an objective identity? How is that different from a subjective identity?

3. Our perception is not what defines our objective identity.

Is an objective identity like a Platonic form?

4. All spiritual identities need an accurate perception.

A spiritual identity? Is this different from an objective or a subjective identity?

5. The ultimate possible perception would be more accurate than all other perceptions.

How is that? It is ultimate because it perceives more things? As they are in themselves? What is an "ultimate possible perception" and it is accurate with reference to what exactly?

6. The ultimate possible perception is thus what gives us an objective identity.

Lol what?

As for 1, it can be argued our thoughts, our deeds, they all require a state of conscious.

Thoughts, yes, deeds, probably not.

Our concept of ourselves also requires a perception. But are we that which defines the level of our deeds, the quality of our actions, or is there a judgement beyond ours that defines our deeds? Makes us inherit our deeds.

Yes, we define the quality of our actions per the criteria prescribed by the nature of the real world. There is no "judgement beyond ours" besides the mechanisms of physics which are the result of statistical laws, i.e. probability or chance.

The Quran often emphasizes who better as a judge than God?

Right. The God who uses birds and ants to talk to people and burns skeptics in hell, replacing their flesh when the flames get too hot and melt the poor bastards, well, because they thought Mohammad and his talking birds were full of shit. Who better as a judge though, of course!

 I also argue it's obvious we are not just a subjective concept that has no reality.

Why would a "subjective concept" have "no reality"? It would have reality... as a subjective concept.

We know this or we wouldn't even estimate ourselves or take some sort of guess of who others are.

Did you mean "solipsism" by "subjective concept"? Sure, I agree, there is an external reality. So... therefore... God? Was that the argument?

It is also obvious that the real deed and our real hidden secret deep within us behind our actions has to be seen through an absolute accurate perspective.

What is the "real hidden secret deep within us"? Do you mean mental states which are inherently subjective? Why does this have to be "seen" through anything but the perception that is inherent to such subjective, mental states?

And we know through our nature that as far as this goes, we human deep inside know perfect perception requires absolute knowledge of what it means to be good.

What the fuck are you talking about?

For example, suppose a person is higher then all of us in good deeds. How will our lower perception judge what he is. All possible levels of goodness thus be known and seen by this perceiver.

Uh, yeah. "This perceiver" is call "the intellect."

We constantly act as if there is a judge who makes us inherit our actions. We just don't focus to realize it. [quote='MysticKnight' pid='1417192' dateline='1476550171']Sure we do. It is ourselves.. That is who realizes it. [quote='MysticKnight' pid='1417192' dateline='1476550171'] But this perception is something we cannot not assume.

Depends on what you mean by "assume." I assume I'm conscious right now. Am I not entitled to that?

Even Atheist subconsciously are acting on this perceiver existing and making them inherit their deeds and other people inheriting their deeds.

Right. I am. See Descartes' cogito

In my belief, this is probably the strongest most potent argument for God.

Hence, why I am an atheist, and don't believe in your God, or his prophet for that matter.

Because you have to deny yourself having an objective existence or say that it somehow it exists independent of your perception but also independent of any perception, both which are equally illogical.

Except, you don't. My perception doesn't exist independent of my perception, but my existence is also more than my perception, because I am also a body, which is part of a world that is external to my perception.

Thank you for your time, with peace and blessings!

You're welcome. Hope you find clarification for your thoughts.