(November 2, 2016 at 10:57 pm)snowtracks Wrote:(October 29, 2016 at 4:39 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: The first paragraph is basicly you admitting you've not got the first clue about how god could exist, but ratioalising this inability to explain away as "he cannot be explajned because...reasons". That is a completely inadequate reason, for a munber of reasons, the most glaring of which being it doesn't explain the utter lack of evidence for god, nor why anybody needs assume he is a necessary being.Using 11 'you' seems unimaginative to me. Atheist pretend they don't believe in God's existence by feigning they have problems with the data. What really is happening is they don't like God's moral authority; everyone was made in the image of God which means they have an eternal spirit which continues to exist post physical death; the issue is therefore accepting redemption which provides eternal spiritual life post physical death or eternal spiritual death (independence from God's influence in one's life). Since everyone believes in God's existence*, no proofs are needed or desired. I post to dialog, not to prove.
Your second paragraph, despite your protestation, describes the philosophy of science as a little known conspiracy to keep the truth unknown, which is deeply ironic for two reasons. First it is religion, not science which has a long and ignominious record if denying the truth and torturing those who dare to say it. And second, science's central premise is the elimination of the wrong. The scientific method is not primarily abot confirming rightness but weeding out wrongness. Something can pnly be considered right in science if it keeps passing the tests over and over and over again. Just because something you want to be true doesn't conform with this system, it doesn't follow that the system is wrong, but it is far more likely that you are wrong (especially seeing as not only are you unwilling to provide evidence, but that you insist that evidence is impossible).
You want the world to presuppose god simply because it would make you happy and give your unimaginative and limited brain meaning. Reality does not work that way.
* For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
I've read the bible, so I know the being depicted therein is not a moral being. First of all he holds humans responible for the flaws he created in them, second he committed genocide as punishment for those flaws (ie he punished the victims of his crime), third he created an eternal punishment for finite transgressions, some of which are so minor no moral being would punish them.
Humans evolved from ape like ancestors, and are most definitely not made "in god's image", and in some ways are quite badly adapted (eg we still don't have hips suitable for bipedal locomotion). There is no such thing as a soul, and what you think of as a soul is a result of both the complex workings of the brain and our interactions with other humans and our environment.
Oh and I love your throwing in of the fallacy that atheists know god exists but pretend he doesn't because...reasons. Atheists don't believe in any god because they have not been given any evidence to show that any god exists, and there is plenty of evidence that gods are simply human creations to explain natural phenomena not understood at the time.
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