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There has to be a God/Creator
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
Quote:How is it possible that mathematics, a product of human thought that is independent of experience, fits so excellently the objects of physical reality?

Who said mathematics is independant of experience? Do we not have to experience a circle before we can mathematically describe it?

Quote:So what does all this have to do with belief in God? Well, these numbers, as well as many other numeric sequences, continually appear in what man calls nature, but what I call Creation.

Some might also call this a slippery slope. Others might call it special pleading. Triangles also appear in nature. It doesn't naturally follow that just because they appear in nature that God somehow exists.

Quote:The spirals of a pinecone have a clockwise rotation, and an anti-clockwise rotation, and in both cases if the number of spirals is counted in each rotation, each count will be a number contained within the Fibonacci series of numbers (8 and 13). The same principle applies to a pineapple as well, but the numbers of spirals are 13 and 23, still numbers appearing in the Fibonacci series.

Are you serious? The spirals in a pinecone are related to its growth. And such a pattern isn't restricted to pinecones. I think you confuse the math with the phenomenon. In other words, the math doesn't bring about the phenomenon. Quite the opposite is true. The math came about to describe the phenomenon. That it does it so elegantly is a testament to the skills of the mathematician to discover the pattern, not to the supposedly magical powers of the universe. Johannes Kepler observed that the ratio of consecutive Fibonacci numbers converges. A pinecone also converges. The comedian Gallagher noted that the pyramids ending in a point at the top indicated a civilation with diminishing goals. 'Oh my that must be proof of the divine!' Oh please!

On so on and so forth.
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens

"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".

- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "

- Dr. Donald Prothero
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There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 12:44 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Darwinian - June 8, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 5:27 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Eternity - June 8, 2011 at 12:55 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Eternity - June 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 3:40 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Darwinian - June 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Darwinian - June 8, 2011 at 1:28 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Darwinian - June 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by colubridae - June 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Jaysyn - June 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by 5thHorseman - June 8, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Gawdzilla - June 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Darwinian - June 8, 2011 at 1:31 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 2:10 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Darwinian - June 8, 2011 at 2:13 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 2:40 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by MarcusF - June 8, 2011 at 1:33 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Gawdzilla - June 8, 2011 at 1:40 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Gawdzilla - June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 7:29 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Kayenneh - June 8, 2011 at 1:25 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Kayenneh - June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 2:17 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by orogenicman - June 8, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Ace Otana - June 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Eternity - June 8, 2011 at 6:35 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by orogenicman - June 8, 2011 at 6:42 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 2:18 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 2:25 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 2:18 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by orogenicman - June 8, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Eternity - June 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Napoléon - June 8, 2011 at 4:19 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 4:20 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by colubridae - June 8, 2011 at 4:25 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Napoléon - June 8, 2011 at 4:26 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by 5thHorseman - June 8, 2011 at 3:01 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 3:26 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by eric209 - June 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 6:10 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 3:11 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 3:55 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Violet - June 8, 2011 at 7:27 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by 5thHorseman - June 8, 2011 at 3:37 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 7:01 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Eternity - June 8, 2011 at 3:38 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by LastPoet - June 8, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by 5thHorseman - June 8, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Napoléon - June 8, 2011 at 4:04 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 4:10 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Napoléon - June 8, 2011 at 3:57 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 9, 2011 at 5:15 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 9, 2011 at 6:04 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Jaysyn - June 9, 2011 at 8:03 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Violet - June 9, 2011 at 3:02 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by lilphil1989 - June 9, 2011 at 11:20 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by colubridae - June 8, 2011 at 4:17 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Gawdzilla - June 8, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 9, 2011 at 2:22 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 4:58 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by LastPoet - June 8, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 5:30 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 5:36 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 7:24 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 7:37 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 7:42 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Violet - June 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 8:37 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by aidoism - June 8, 2011 at 8:43 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 9:29 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by eric209 - June 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by aidoism - June 8, 2011 at 9:38 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 9, 2011 at 4:25 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 9, 2011 at 4:38 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Ace Otana - June 9, 2011 at 5:03 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 8:17 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 8, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 9:14 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Ace Otana - June 9, 2011 at 4:33 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by aidoism - June 8, 2011 at 8:17 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 8, 2011 at 8:39 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Violet - June 9, 2011 at 1:36 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 9, 2011 at 3:23 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Violet - June 9, 2011 at 4:14 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Jax - June 9, 2011 at 3:16 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by LastPoet - June 9, 2011 at 3:49 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by orogenicman - June 9, 2011 at 4:26 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Ace Otana - June 9, 2011 at 6:02 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Darwinian - June 9, 2011 at 6:06 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Andrastos - June 9, 2011 at 7:18 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Cinjin - June 9, 2011 at 12:53 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Epimethean - June 9, 2011 at 10:34 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by ethdaman - June 9, 2011 at 7:13 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Ace Otana - June 9, 2011 at 7:24 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by orogenicman - June 9, 2011 at 8:41 am
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Napoléon - June 9, 2011 at 12:26 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by colubridae - June 9, 2011 at 2:29 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Napoléon - June 9, 2011 at 12:56 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Violet - June 9, 2011 at 4:10 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by orogenicman - June 9, 2011 at 1:43 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by bozo - June 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by Welsh cake - June 9, 2011 at 5:36 pm
RE: There has to be a God/Creator - by DanielSchaffiro - June 10, 2011 at 12:12 pm

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