(June 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm)Andrastos Wrote:(June 8, 2011 at 1:57 pm)orogenicman Wrote:Quote:How is it possible that mathematics, a product of human thought that is independent of experience, fits so excellently the objects of physical reality?
Who said mathematics is independant of experience? Do we not have to experience a circle before we can mathematically describe it?
Quote:So what does all this have to do with belief in God? Well, these numbers, as well as many other numeric sequences, continually appear in what man calls nature, but what I call Creation.
Some might also call this a slippery slope. Others might call it special pleading. Triangles also appear in nature. It doesn't naturally follow that just because they appear in nature that God somehow exists.
Quote:The spirals of a pinecone have a clockwise rotation, and an anti-clockwise rotation, and in both cases if the number of spirals is counted in each rotation, each count will be a number contained within the Fibonacci series of numbers (8 and 13). The same principle applies to a pineapple as well, but the numbers of spirals are 13 and 23, still numbers appearing in the Fibonacci series.
Are you serious? The spirals in a pinecone are related to its growth. And such a pattern isn't restricted to pinecones. I think you confuse the math with the phenomenon. In other words, the math doesn't bring about the phenomenon. Quite the opposite is true. The math came about to describe the phenomenon. That it does it so elegantly is a testament to the skills of the mathematician to discover the pattern, not to the supposedly magical powers of the universe. Johannes Kepler observed that the ratio of consecutive Fibonacci numbers converges. A pinecone also converges. The comedian Gallagher noted that the pyramids ending in a point at the top indicated a civilation with diminishing goals. 'Oh my that must be proof of the divine!' Oh please!
On so on and so forth.
"Who said mathematics is independant of experience?"
Einstein said this; the rest of your answer will go unread! As you really don't understand what is being said!
Please answer the question in a rational, logical way or move on!
And of course, being a physics whiz, you can cite exactly where Einstein made such a statement. Of course, mathematics is NOT independant of experience. To suggest otherwise is silly. Mathematics, my friend, evolved directly from mankind's experiences in the world and the need to explain why the world is the way it is. Without such experience, mathematics would not be possible or even necessary.
Secondly, it is you who are being illogical and irrational and certainly don't understand what you are talking about. What I posted was not only logically consistant, it is readily supported by heaps of data. Now, if you can't swim with us adults, I suggest you remain in the kiddy pool for now.
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-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
- Dr. Donald Prothero
