RE: Prison as punishment
November 8, 2016 at 3:29 pm
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2016 at 3:41 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
@RealJoe
I don't think that anyone's disputing that we -don't- put people in jail, primarily, to remove dangerous people from society, but that maybe that -should- be the reason we do so, primarily. That perhaps these are the only sorts of people who should be in jail, in the first place, and that other means of addressing other crimes would be more suitable -to- those crimes. For example.
@ Mooney
If it's just "some people", for example (just assuming that it is the fulcrum for something, for somebody)...we're doing something shitty to all of the other people who -don't- need that, for reasons not at all related to them. Punishing the better in us in order to dissuade the worst which, even in your example, runs...attempts to evade consequence completely...and sometimes, does evade consequence. Other people are being punished disproportionately for -their- crimes and personalities, for what bastards might do or might try to get away with.
I don't think that anyone's disputing that we -don't- put people in jail, primarily, to remove dangerous people from society, but that maybe that -should- be the reason we do so, primarily. That perhaps these are the only sorts of people who should be in jail, in the first place, and that other means of addressing other crimes would be more suitable -to- those crimes. For example.
@ Mooney
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Quote:But I understand where you are coming from in that people shouldn't need the fear of punishment to deter them from doing evil but some people do. Maybe not most people but what about the people that do hit and runs? They only look at it in the light of they will go to jail if they tell anyone. Instead of getting first aid and possibly saving the person they just leave. That happens way too often...Right, but obviously, they know..if they get caught, they go to jail....and it;ll be even worse. They still do so. Did the threat of punishment do anything, in that example? Are the people who do stop and help only doing so to shave a few years off a possible sentence? I guess I'm just not convinced that the fulcrum for what people will or wont do really lies at the point of a rule against it. Not so much, I suppose, that it;s not something that people consider, but that it's weight has been vastly overestimated.
If it's just "some people", for example (just assuming that it is the fulcrum for something, for somebody)...we're doing something shitty to all of the other people who -don't- need that, for reasons not at all related to them. Punishing the better in us in order to dissuade the worst which, even in your example, runs...attempts to evade consequence completely...and sometimes, does evade consequence. Other people are being punished disproportionately for -their- crimes and personalities, for what bastards might do or might try to get away with.
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