(November 11, 2016 at 11:47 pm)Astreja Wrote:Odds are not about the universe existing*, but about it existing not as 1. black holes or neutron stars or 2. radiation and gases, but as a razor's edge balance between gravity and dark energy that resulted in the universe's configuration. No, there wasn't a trillion trillion other universes that failed on balancing gravity and dark energy and this particular one out that group just happened to get it right.(November 11, 2016 at 11:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote: The sample size is one; infinite multiverse is only a metaphysical speculation. Randomness doesn't support the probabilities (10^120) - 10 followed by 120 zeros. Somehow, this one event got it right, 1 out of 1; of course if there is evidences of other universe's that didn't get right, the odds would have to be revised --- should the odds be revised?
The sample size is 1; the probability at this point is not 1/10^120; it is 1.0. Universe is already here; therefore the odds of it being here are 100%.
We have no way of knowing how many failed universes preceded this one due to constants being out of bounds; therefore, we shouldn't even be using a probability calculation because we have insufficient data.
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*As posted - The universe's expansion rate has been balanced at just the right rate to make advanced life possible. If the expansion rate were to rapid, stars and planets would not form since gravity wouldn't have adequate time to pull together the gases and dust that make up these bodies. If the expansion rate weren't rapid enough, the stars formed would rapidly collapse and become black holes or neutron stars. What determines this expansion rate is gravity and dark energy (a property that stretches the universe's space/time surface. In the book 'The Grand Design' by Hawking, Modinow, of which I have in eBook form, in chapter 7 this statement is made. "The laws of nature form a system that is extremely fine-tuned, and very little in physical law can be altered without the possibility of the development of life as we know it". Goes on to say that the Cosmological Constant (the energy density that causes the universe's expansion, referred to as dark energy) has a value 10^120” (as a comparison, the est. atoms in the observable universe is 10^80) --- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+many+atoms+in+the+universe --- Continuing "the one thing that is certain is that if the value of the Cosmological Constant were much larger than it is, our universe would have blown itself apart before galaxies could form--once again--life as we know it would impossible".
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.