On Moral Authorities

[Tonus]

1. Divine Positive Law are described and enumerated in Divine Revelation which is revealed through the Catholic Church. Natural Law can be found in Nature which is created by God. And, Human Positive Law, as long as it doesn't contradict law, can be followed and can be seen enumerated and describe in the Government Law of the land.

Seeing God's will in nature is obvious by seeing that nature is created by God. God can't contradict Himself.

It seems to me that the only law that is enumerated is "human positive law" unless the "divine positive law" is a reference to the Catechism.

I would not say that morality is based on laws.  Presumably, the laws are based on a reasoning out of moral issues.  They are a result, not a basis.

As for seeing God's will in nature, that would require some selective filtering, wouldn't it?  God's majesty is seen in a magnificent waterfall or a starry sky at night.  What does necrotizing fasciitis tell us about his will?  If those examples are incorrect or mistaken, is there a way that we can know that we are seeing God's will in nature?

2. What I meant there is that the two cases were not to be used as a standard of morality.

But the laws and acts themselves were or would have been moral, wouldn't they?  God can act --or demand that others act-- in direct opposition to the standard of morality without committing --or causing to be committed-- an immoral act, yes?

3. Well, our difference is here is whether what God has ordained and what can be known by human reason are exclusive or inclusive in terms of morality. You hold that is must be exclusive, and I hold that it can be both/and. Well, the fact that human reason can know what God has ordained by nature and by His revelation, it follows that it cannot be exclusive.

My point is that an action cannot be objectively immoral if there are exceptions.  If killing is wrong except when God commands it, then there are times when killing is not wrong.  Because the morality of an action is automatically right when God commits or commands that action, there is a specific state where any action can be moral or immoral.  Therefore no action can be objectively moral or immoral.