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Should We Resist Trump?
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RE: Should We Resist Trump?
(November 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(November 13, 2016 at 1:16 pm)abaris Wrote: With all due respect, and if you are willing to accept an outside perspective - you should focus on getting shot of that two party system of yours. I know that's taking a lot of work, effort and banging your heads against walls. But it's abundandtly clear that these parties aren't willing to move.

This is very true. Made all the more clear by Bernie not even really being a democrat in the first place. He was third party running for democrat. Hell, trump wasn't an establishment republican either, though not for lack of trying. It would be great if we could build up a third party, even though both major parties would fight it tooth and nail.

I really don't like this circular logic of "I don't vote third party because they can't win, and they can't win because nobody votes for them". If the dems don't give us a candidate that true progressives want, then why should they be surprised when people don't show up to vote.

I watched a video about someone in the media complaining that Hillary lost because too many people voted third party. Ignoring the fact that apparently 9% of voting democrats went to Trump. You really shouldn't complain about people not voting for your candidate, when she can't motivate the voters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXnK29AKS7k

This was not the time to go purist. No candidate is going to be perfect--it's never happened. No third party hack was going to win this thing--not a hope in hell. You don't go to the track and bet on the three-legged horse in a three horse race because you happen to like the jockey riding it. You know it's a waste of money. 

The choice in this election was not-Trump. It was either that or predictability, stability, and a Supreme Court that would guarantee everyone's equal, fundamental rights. We have none of that now. 

But hey, I'm not going to be hurt by Trump. I'm a white, hetero, middle-aged male with three white kids, none of whom are or will be in the military. And if things work out the way I hope, his tax cuts are really going to put some significant money in my bank account. I'm not going to lose my health insurance and no one in my family is going to get deported. 

And maybe that's the way I should vote from now on. If people who stand to get hurt by Trump the most can't be bothered to make what should be a thunderously commonsense decision, then why the hell should I care what happens to them?
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Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 12, 2016 at 8:28 pm
RE: Should We Fight? - by vorlon13 - November 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by downbeatplumb - November 13, 2016 at 7:59 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by downbeatplumb - November 13, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 12:02 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Pat Mustard - November 13, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Pat Mustard - November 13, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 2:24 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by brewer - November 13, 2016 at 8:41 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by brewer - November 13, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Whateverist - November 13, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Whateverist - November 13, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Minimalist - November 13, 2016 at 6:55 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Homeless Nutter - November 13, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by ukatheist - November 13, 2016 at 9:09 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Edwardo Piet - November 13, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 13, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Chad32 - November 13, 2016 at 1:13 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Opoponax - November 13, 2016 at 2:00 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 2:25 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Chad32 - November 13, 2016 at 2:33 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 2:36 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Opoponax - November 13, 2016 at 3:30 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Chad32 - November 13, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Opoponax - November 13, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by ScienceAf - November 13, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Arkilogue - November 13, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 4:42 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 7:16 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Jackalope - November 13, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by account_inactive - November 13, 2016 at 6:36 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 6:40 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by account_inactive - November 13, 2016 at 6:44 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 6:45 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by account_inactive - November 13, 2016 at 6:47 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 6:53 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 13, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 13, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Bob Kelso - November 14, 2016 at 1:15 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by 8BitAtheist - November 14, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Drich - November 14, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 15, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Drich - November 15, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 15, 2016 at 8:15 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Drich - November 16, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 16, 2016 at 6:57 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Tiberius - November 14, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by account_inactive - November 14, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Autumnlicious - November 14, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Drich - November 14, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Minimalist - November 14, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Tonus - November 14, 2016 at 5:22 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 14, 2016 at 8:28 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Jackalope - November 14, 2016 at 8:34 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 15, 2016 at 8:51 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 15, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 15, 2016 at 5:14 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Pat Mustard - November 15, 2016 at 6:30 pm
Should We Resist Trump? - by KUSA - November 15, 2016 at 9:22 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 16, 2016 at 6:40 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by vorlon13 - November 16, 2016 at 10:20 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Tonus - November 16, 2016 at 11:14 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Kingpin - November 16, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 16, 2016 at 7:04 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by I_am_not_mafia - November 16, 2016 at 10:23 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Doubting Thomas - November 16, 2016 at 1:45 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 16, 2016 at 7:54 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by downbeatplumb - November 16, 2016 at 1:48 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by vorlon13 - November 16, 2016 at 6:59 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by vorlon13 - November 16, 2016 at 7:00 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 16, 2016 at 8:06 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by vorlon13 - November 16, 2016 at 8:23 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 17, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by abaris - November 17, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Rhondazvous - November 17, 2016 at 4:11 pm
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by Tonus - November 17, 2016 at 8:55 am
RE: Should We Resist Trump? - by The Grand Nudger - November 17, 2016 at 9:11 am

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