On Moral Authorities

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A theist can also answer "neither".

I'm well aware, and I've shared my thoughts on that already. Though, that's not what Ham is talking about, purely due to the fact that he's unable to conceptualize the dilemma the right way.

Again, you have a myopic view of god and good. Not every god botherer does or has.

We have one right here advocating for this view. I've never met anyone who's thought otherwise, and I was a Christian for 6 years (and a non-practising catholic growing up).

Or they can remind someone that their gods are capricious and fickle, that they have no relationship to the good.

Can't even think of a contemporary monotheistic religion that believes that.

Or that they are beyond petty human concepts such -as- good.

Again, can't say I've encountered such a thing, despite having done philosophy of religion.

Or that the good is neither loved by god because it it good or good because it is loved by god...but that the good -is- god.

This is roughly the only thing I've actually heard. And it's not a great explanation. It's still sort of riding the vibes of the 'trivial' horn - where something is good because god says so - since god is arbitrarily good.

The possible -neither- answers are limited only by the varying god concepts that people do and have believed in...and those aren't limited at all, despite some theists™ pulling the highlander routine at a fundamanetal and conceptual level.

Fair, yet still lacking a sound justification for 'neither'.

As has already been pointed out. It's a false dilemma that -some- theists find compelling. There's a checklist, though, for which theists will find it compelling.

1. Don't give a shit that the argument structure is invalid.
2. Has a myopic view of good.
3. Has a myopic view of god.

Given the above, the checklist is actually the one of myopic proportions.