RE: Trump won the white working-man vote..
November 18, 2016 at 4:23 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2016 at 4:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 18, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Napoléon Wrote: No, not 'accidental racists'. Not racists full stop.Not racists that voted for a racist candidate who openly campaigned on a racist ticket, full stop. Hmn, to me, that just doesn't add up. You;re certainly free to continue extending the benefit of the doubt, if you like. I don't.
Quote:Your equation here is that anyone voting for Trump is validating racism by casting their vote for him. The reality is not anywhere near this black and white, pardon the pun.Meh, seems to be. If putting the racist and his racist ideology into the whitehouse isn;t validation, I don't know what could be? Elect him to the status of christ and savior? Some seem to have done that too, lol.
Quote:I mean I could similarly say anyone who voted for Hillary is OK with corruption, assassination, money laundering etc and thus validates all of these things.I would say that. (assassination, though? hadn't heard of that one yet, care t inform....morbid curiosity)
Quote:But you and me both know that would be stupid. You're not applying the same standards here. There's a myriad of reasons why someone might vote the way they did and to just ignore them all and brand everyone racists just seems the epitome of irresponsibility. It does nothing more than further the divide.I;m not applying the same standards? Really?
Quote:By denigrating anyone who voted for Trump as a racist, you're 1. devaluing the use of the term racist to the point where nobody even pays attention to it anymore andThe racists already don't pay attention, unless they feel the need to deflect, which...since the election, is diminishing.
Quote:2. intentionally misrepresenting and ignoring the reasons why people would/could have voted.No, I accept the many things that people would trade for racist ideology, as I've made plainly clear. In my book, it's just that this is pretty damned racist. Not difficult to understand. You can certainly disagree, but it shouldn't be an impenetrable mystery.
Quote:Do you honestly believe it is more constructive to call all Trump supporters racist than to actually acknowledge that the reasons many voted for him had precisely fuck all to do with race?What things might those be? Why do you think it matters to me or that it would somehow argue against my own position...since I don't deny that such things exist, I simply point out that it doesn't matter that they do. They were willing to buy those things by supporting racist ideology.
Quote:And yeah, you are tarnishing these people. It really makes you a hypocrite to come out with stereotypical bigotry of this nature. Ain't that irony.I'm not the one that voted Trump, I didn't hold their hand to the ballot and make them put their mark by that candidate. They tarnished themselves, though for many it's not tarnish at all, but a badge of pride.
If you and I were walking down th street and we saw a blue piece of paper laying on the ground...and I said "Hey, look at that blue piece of paper".....it would be a little silly of you to respond with "you made that paper blue!".
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