(November 18, 2016 at 11:06 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(November 18, 2016 at 10:53 am)FallentoReason Wrote: You insist I'm "contradicting" and "doubling down", yet you can't even get your *own* story straight. Never have I read this from you in the previous pages, unless you chucked it in as an edit I missed.
Because you are contradicting yourself...
*bzzzzt* wrong.
Quote: and to say you know what a false dichotomy is,
Yup.
Quote:and to correctly say it's a dichotomy where the answer "neither" can be given,
Yup.
Quote: and to admit that the answer "neither" can be given to this dichotomy that we're discussing,
*bzzzzt* wrong.
Quote: and yet to continue to say "It's not a false dichotomy" is indeed doubling down on your wrongness.
*bzzzzt* wrong.
Quote: Rather than put 2 and 2 together you'd like to keep insisting the answer isn't 4.
Poetic.
Quote:My own story? All my story has been...
Are you sure it's not you that should be a politician? Loving the smooth question dodging.
Quote:...is that the answer "neither" can be given to the dilemma,
And I've told you time and time again how it's not justified.
Quote: and thereby it's a false dilemma,
*bzzzzt* wrong. Yet to be proven successfully.
Quote: because that's what a false dilemma is...
If you could for once successfully justify your answer.
Quote: and then I've also said that I think the answer is "neither" because I think there aren't any gods.
And this is why you're wrong. Simply stating your belief isn't a valid option c. Reason being that if that's legitimate, then the theist can just as easily say, 'no, but they do.' Now what?
Quote: All this nonsense about me saying there necessarily are no gods and that the answer necessarily is "neither" is just a strawman.
Then make an effort to clear up your mess.
Quote:Quote:Look, I admit I'm only human, but if there's one thing that all those units taught me is how to think critically.
I'll believe it when I see it. You could start by giving a consistent answer regarding whether the dichotomy is a true or false one.
My answer has always been that it's not a false one. Otherwise this discussion would have ended days ago.
Quote:Quote: I think I have the capacity to know what I'm saying, and hold to that/those beliefs closely. Considering you wouldn't be taken seriously academically, I know you lack what it would take to follow my reasoning (as evidenced by your failure to understand what a proper refutation of the dilemma would look like), let alone call me out *properly*.
Hello strawman again. I've never been trying to refute the dilemma.
Yes, you have. By saying
Quote: ...it's a false dilemma.
Quote: And it is a false dilemma.
*bzzzzt* wrong. You still haven't provided good reasoning for why it's 'neither'.
Quote: You've said what a false dilemma is, correctly.
Yup.
Quote: You've said that the conditions of a false dilemma apply to the dilemma.
*bzzzzt* wrong.
Quote: You have failed to put 2 and 2 together and continued to insist it's not a false dilemma.
Because that's been my argument all along. Keep up please.
Quote:Premise 1. A false dilemma is a dilemma where [at least one other option] can be given. You accept this.
Premise 2. The answer "neither" [could some day, with adequate reasoning] be given to the dilemma we are discussing. You accept this.
Conclusion: The dilemma we are discussing is a false one. You don't accept this.
I've corrected it for you. Your conclusion doesn't follow.
Quote:You continue to double down on explicitly saying it's not a false dilemma despite implicitly saying it is. All I want is a consistent answer.And I've been doing that since the beginning.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle