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Theist ➤ Why ☠ Atheism is Evil Compared to ✠ Christianity
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Atheism is Evil Compared to ✠ Christianity
(November 20, 2016 at 10:01 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Joker:

Jim Jones, the leader of the "Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ" was a christian. Sorry, you have to own that one. One possible end product of christian faith. 

Napoleon was started out christian also. 

See what that can do to people? It's certainly made you delusional.

Jim Jones, the leader of the "Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ",  said that he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”. 

Started Christian ended up Atheist.

(November 20, 2016 at 10:09 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: @ the OP

I disagree that without God morals have to be subjective.

Objective morals can simply be that there are objective answers in principle to moral questions once we define what moral questions are about. Just like with health. Once it is defined what health is, there are objective answers to what is healthy and unhealthy and there would be in principle even if we were not able to discover those answers in practice.

Epistemically objective morals =/= ontologically objective morals. Moral ontology is nonsense anyway. A science of well being can be objective in principle the same way that science of health can. Why call that morality? Well, there's value in valuing well being when it comes to answers to moral questions. Anyway who says "But why should we even care about well being or morality?" can be laughed at the same way anyone who asks why we should even care about health or the truth can be laughed at.

Morality is about what we ought to do and immorality is about what we ought not to do. When someone asks "Who says we ought to value well-being?" the answer is that we already do value well-being and it makes no sense to ask why we ought to value something we already value. And in fact well-being is the only thing we can value, because anything else we value is in relation to it and we're deluding ourselves if we think otherwise. That's the point.
Ok. Should Jeffrey Dahmer be sent to prison? Should? or Should not?

If you say yes, should then that's just your opinion of what's Wrong-Morality is subjective in atheism

If you say no, Shouldn't then that's just your opinion on what's Right-Morality is subjective in atheism

But we know he should go to prison because of what he did, WE KNOW, the fact that we know what he did is wrong proves Objective Morality.

Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from?

Answer: Objective Morality needs a moral giver, the moral giver is God.
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Atheism is Evil Compared to ✠ Christianity - by The Joker - November 20, 2016 at 10:34 am

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