Theist ➤ Why ☠ Atheism is Evil Compared to ✠ Christianity

[brewer]

Joker:

Jim Jones, the leader of the "Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ" was a christian. Sorry, you have to own that one. One possible end product of christian faith. 

Napoleon was started out christian also. 

See what that can do to people? It's certainly made you delusional.

[Edwardo Piet]

@ the OP

I disagree that without God morals have to be subjective.

Objective morals can simply be that there are objective answers in principle to moral questions once we define what moral questions are about. Just like with health. Once it is defined what health is, there are objective answers to what is healthy and unhealthy and there would be in principle even if we were not able to discover those answers in practice.

Epistemically objective morals =/= ontologically objective morals. Moral ontology is nonsense anyway. A science of well being can be objective in principle the same way that science of health can. Why call that morality? Well, there's value in valuing well being when it comes to answers to moral questions. Anyway who says "But why should we even care about well being or morality?" can be laughed at the same way anyone who asks why we should even care about health or the truth can be laughed at.

Morality is about what we ought to do and immorality is about what we ought not to do. When someone asks "Who says we ought to value well-being?" the answer is that we already do value well-being and it makes no sense to ask why we ought to value something we already value. And in fact well-being is the only thing we can value, because anything else we value is in relation to it and we're deluding ourselves if we think otherwise. That's the point.

[The Joker]

Joker:

Jim Jones, the leader of the "Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ" was a christian. Sorry, you have to own that one. One possible end product of christian faith. 

Napoleon was started out christian also. 

See what that can do to people? It's certainly made you delusional.

Jim Jones, the leader of the "Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ",  said that he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”. 

Started Christian ended up Atheist.

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@ the OP

I disagree that without God morals have to be subjective.

Objective morals can simply be that there are objective answers in principle to moral questions once we define what moral questions are about. Just like with health. Once it is defined what health is, there are objective answers to what is healthy and unhealthy and there would be in principle even if we were not able to discover those answers in practice.

Epistemically objective morals =/= ontologically objective morals. Moral ontology is nonsense anyway. A science of well being can be objective in principle the same way that science of health can. Why call that morality? Well, there's value in valuing well being when it comes to answers to moral questions. Anyway who says "But why should we even care about well being or morality?" can be laughed at the same way anyone who asks why we should even care about health or the truth can be laughed at.

Morality is about what we ought to do and immorality is about what we ought not to do. When someone asks "Who says we ought to value well-being?" the answer is that we already do value well-being and it makes no sense to ask why we ought to value something we already value. And in fact well-being is the only thing we can value, because anything else we value is in relation to it and we're deluding ourselves if we think otherwise. That's the point.

Ok. Should Jeffrey Dahmer be sent to prison? Should? or Should not?

If you say yes, should then that's just your opinion of what's Wrong-Morality is subjective in atheism

If you say no, Shouldn't then that's just your opinion on what's Right-Morality is subjective in atheism

But we know he should go to prison because of what he did, WE KNOW, the fact that we know what he did is wrong proves Objective Morality.

Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from?

Answer: Objective Morality needs a moral giver, the moral giver is God.

[Chad32]

[PETE_ROSE]

I'm actually surprised no one called you a racist pastoral lampoon.


Yet! The day is still young.

[PETE_ROSE]

Need to step up your game forum. Although it is Sunday, maybe everyone's at church.

[vorlon13]

Opened OP

Read the words "cannibalism and necrophilia" in an argument against atheism.

Closed OP

we all know  the cannibalism is entirely confined to Christian infants and I think he meant to say coprophagia instead of necrophilia

although I suppose if someone committed coprophagia involving someone who had recently eaten a baby, technically . . . .

[Whateverist]

As I scanned through the usual self congratulatory drivel about morality I figured pretty much standard naive xtian koolade drinker. But I stopped reading when I got to:

Greatest Role model’s for Christianity: Jesus, Mary and the apostles, the martyrs of faith and saints.
Greatest Role model’s for Atheism: Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Napoleon and Jim Jones.

The writing was on the wall. This is not just some home schooled, backward but well meaning christard; this asshole is a troll pure and simple. Not feeding this troll any more. Engaging ignore function.

[The Joker]

[brewer]

Joker:

Jim Jones, the leader of the "Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ" was a christian. Sorry, you have to own that one. One possible end product of christian faith. 

Napoleon was started out christian also. 

See what that can do to people? It's certainly made you delusional.

Jim Jones, the leader of the "Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ",  said that he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”. 

Started Christian ended up Atheist.

Then your god must not be much of a god to let this atrocity happen in his name.