(November 12, 2016 at 2:48 am)Primordial Bisque Wrote:God existence is known by everyone so no proof is needed or even proposed. The reason God said to Moses when Moses asked 'Who should I say has send me?' God replied "Moses, I AM that I Am" which means that God cannot have an explanation of His existence which eternal to Him, for then He would depend for His existence on whatever thing it is that explains His existence, so the explanation of God's existence must be internal to Him; that is to say, God exists by a necessity of His own nature - "I AM Who* I Am" - God by necessity doesn't require a beginning (there isn't any explanation how this could be, other than 'God just exist)'. Beginning are only required on the cosmic timeline which is unidirectional where cause and effect transactions transpire. No 'these length' here since I fully endorse free will (God made the Garden of Eden very good [not perfect] but made it even better by later introducing free will).(November 12, 2016 at 2:08 am)snowtracks Wrote: Odds are not about the universe existing*, but about it existing not as 1. black holes or neutron stars or 2. radiation and gases, but as a razor's edge balance between gravity and dark energy that resulted in the universe's configuration. No, there wasn't a trillion trillion other universes that failed on balancing gravity and dark energy and this particular one out that group just happened to get it right.
Snowtracks, if you need to go to these lengths to prove a god exists, maybe it's just time to face the music and accept that it's just not there. The only person you're fooling is yourself. It's an old story. Nothing more.
* some translations have it as 'Who'.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.