(April 20, 2009 at 12:32 pm)Rizzo Wrote: Ah! Excellent question!
The key phrase in that is that there's something else out there outside of science <b>as we currently know it.</b>
At one time, how the seasons changed or how the stars lit up the night sky were outside of science as we knew it. Now we know more and have more advanced equipment to study it with.
Someday, we will probably be able to study what we can't now, provided we don't go ahead and finish off the human race before we get the chance.
Well, I think it is understandable that perhaps some things, in reality, in the future are actually impossible for science to grasp and understand...(or at least human science or possible for any other alien life forms to ever understand either)..
For example quantum theory may be too complex and weird ultimately to be uncracked and there is a lot to be known by it IF we could understand it but ultimately there are some things there that humans just never can figure out...
But these mysteries of the future that are definitely not true puzzles, buy mysteries because they are never to be unlocked - what makes you think that it would be anything supernatural? It could just be for instance, the quantum universe gets too complicated and weird to fully be understood (going with Quantum Theory as just an example).
Out of curiosity I am wondering what makes you think that these possible mysteries (that forever are mysteries, unlockable - if not by all lifeforms entirely then at least by us humans and all other life forms on earth) - what makes you think that these mysteries could be supernatural? Why would that be probable?
All that really springs to mind for me personally would be the hypothetical concept of infinite realities and dimensions so that everything exists somewhere - in some universe, whether supernatural or not - everything exists because the universe itself is infinite... the hypothetical idea of that.
Although I know of no evidence of this and that if these hypothetical alternative realities/dimensions, and certainly no evidence of their effect on this universe if they indeed exist because the universe is indeed 'infinite' so that 'everything exists somewhere'.
At the moment I believe that the universe finite I think - 'just' inconceivably gigantically enormous.
I don't really know much at all about cosmology though. And I'm not sure really if the concept of ultimate infinity necessarily implies that it means 'everything exists somewhere'?
Quote:I've stated that I <b>could</b> believe in something else out there that would fall under the catagory of supernatural. Things like spirits and ghosts and magic. No, I don't absolutly believe, but I don't absolutly disbelieve, either.
Well if you have no reason to believe or disbelieve then I assume disbelief is the default because you need reasons to believe something exists first.
But I assume you have reasons on both sides...? And you're not entirely sure which is most believable?
Or do you think that absence of evidence of these supernatural things you may believe in are on even footing and priority with absence of evidence against these supernatural things you may believe in.
My view, if that's the case, - would be that you need evidence to believe in these things first before you can possibly need or have any evidence against them.
Maybe you could call me a weak atheist?
Well if by weak atheist you mean that you are not absolutely 100% certain that God doesn't exist and you certainly don't claim to absolutely 'KNOW' he doesn't?
I myself - at least by my definition - do not think that opinions on other supernatural beliefs, or beliefs about the afterlife or spiritual beliefs or whatever - have any effect on the strength of the 'atheism'.
I think of your atheism as your stance on "God" as in a supernatural creator of the universe - your other supernatural beliefs don't have any effect on that per se.
E.G, by my definition at least: You can have many spiritual or supernatural beliefs but still not believe in a "God" (as I define God: a supernatural creator) so therefore still be an atheist and even be a very strong gnostic atheist that absolutely claims there isn't one...
And you can have the same spiritual/supernatural beliefs and also however, - not believe in God and instead be less sure, be agnostic and a 'weak' atheist.
Quote:Anyway, even if I believed in that, the world is just too chaotic to believe in any all powerful God.
Unless God is an alcoholic on LCD or something? Or he (/she/it) has severe psychosis lol.
Quote:N-E-way, thanx for the welcome!
Don't mention it, it's good to meet you.
EvF
