Quote:You failed to understand my example here as you do with many others.(June 18, 2011 at 9:33 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Would you be dead without eyes for sight? Isn't eyes tools like the other senses that assist?Eyes don't keep your brain functioning. They merely send signals to it. You can't compare a body's sense to the brains primary functions.
Your response is filled with false assumptions that don't even come close to understanding my questions.
Quote:Yes i understand this. Let me rephrase:Quote:Tell me what made a chemical reaction exist then?Our brain produces them. It's part of how animals function. Our brain functions on biomass (the brain itself), electricity that passes through it and chemicals. To be without either one of those would incur death.
What makes a chemical reaction exist if there is no purpose?
Quote:So wouldn't an evolutionary purpose to survive have motivation to survive?Quote:What motivation brought forth the desire of life to experience itself then?Nothing. Single celled lifeforms evolve to become more complex lifeforms. Our evolutionary purpose is to survive and pass on genes. Didn't like that answer did you?
What purpose would it have to survive if it has nothing to pursue?
Quote:Nope. You will.Quote:What is so absurd about it?You'll see.
Quote:Incorrect. No matter if it does not seem obvious to someone or something, relative is present here and everywhere.Quote:It is obvious that everything here is relative.No it isn't. Only to you.
I believe you do not understand what relative is.
Quote:Incorrect. It is logical and evident. It cannot be denied and only misunderstood.Quote:It is obvious that you need the relative for experience to be experienced. Is this absurd?Yes that's absurd.
Quote:Again i see you fail to understand what relative is. It is similar to being dichotomous.Quote:It is obvious that the relative exists for something to be experienced.No it's not obvious. You detect things based on what your senses tell you. Got nothing to do with opposites of anything.
Detecting something is a different subject though it can be related.
Quote:Not quite. Life that practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy experiences this process thus practices experience.Quote:It is obvious that life practices experiencing.Nope, life practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy.
If you don't experience adaptation, co-existence of other matter and energy then that process of knowledge would only be conceptual.
Quote:How would it exists by natural events if there was no purpose to create them natural events?Quote:It is obvious that this universe and this realm exists for anything that can experience to experience because it can and does so.Nope. The universe exists by natural events. Got nothing to do with purpose.
Quote:Yet your explanations make more sense with nothing that could explain them?Quote:Are these lies, baseless assumptions and absurdity?Pretty much, yes.
Quote:If there was no greater purpose to anything then why would one care?Quote:Are you scared to see an evident law in your plain view?Are you scared of a reality where there is no greater purpose to anything?
Quote:Incorrect. There is nothing i am upset about here.Quote:I don't know why this would upset you and behave unkind.
I think it's you who's upset.
I have been trying (like always) to remain kind while sharing my views unlike others.
Quote:Quote:What im sharing with you will be very difficult to disprove.You haven't proven anything yet, there's nothing to disprove.
I have certainly proven that you do not understand what a relative universe or realm is.
Quote:If nothing was meant for us then why do we have the ability to experience the relative?Quote:It was not meant for us to experience?Nothing was ever 'meant' for us. We are just a collection of chemicals and atoms co-existing with other chemicals and atoms.
What? You starting to feel meaningless?
Your perception of things as you describe are meaningless which includes your own existence.
Quote:Fair enough then.Quote:Hmm. You are saying that life which can experience was not meant to experience?There is no 'meant' in anything. We exist through natural events, not purpose.
Explain then how natural events exist in a relative realm that makes experience possible.
Then explain how experience has no purpose.
Quote:Quote:So the universe exists in relative form which makes experience possible was not meant for anything that can experience simply experience?Prove relative makes experience possible.
Here it is again ill use cold as the begining example:
If everything everywhere was only cold how would you know what cold is if that is all there is?
Your knowledge of it would be conceptual because you don't know what is "not" cold.
So you cannot experience cold without knowing what is "not" cold.
This is because to know what is cold, is to know what cold is "not" so thus the relative law come into play.
A Relative Realm which gives energy its form (like here and there) so experience may be possible.
If everything was just here then where would be there?
I would only know here and there as a concept because everything would be only here.
I wouldn't be able to experience here and there if everything was just here.
This why the relative realm exists. To make experience possible for life.
If you still do not see it then tell me how experience is possible.
Quote:Quote:You call me delusional with this?Damn right.
Quote:I challenge you to disprove that the relative exists then.You see what I've bolded in your quote? That is a claim, a claim you've just made. The burden of proof is on you. I'm not claiming anything. I have so far only rejected your beliefs. I'm still waiting for you to back your claims up.
Pattern or not, it is a law that exists to make experience possible.
Quote:Meaning, believing something that is evident does not exist.I didn't claim that it doesn't exist, I simply rejected the idea. Difference.
Quote:There is no way one could disprove the relative to have experience.It hasn't even been proven yet. You've only asserted it, not proved it.
Quote:I am saying it is evident that there is a law which makes experience possible.Prove it.
Quote:You need relative form.Back that up.
Quote:Where is life? There is (or there should be) life in abundance throughout the universe.I also think life is in abundance, just unknown of their location.
Quote:What is it doing there? Experiencing itself.Existing, co-existing, evolving.
Quote:What makes this possible? The relative makes this possible.Prove it.
Quote:Then why does this realm exist? For experience to be possible.Back that up please.
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Well that was fun.
I think my last answer above, answers all of these.