(December 8, 2016 at 10:41 am)Luckie Wrote:(December 8, 2016 at 10:32 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: If in a terrible car crash my wife was paralyzed from the waist down I would continue to faithfully love her for the rest of my life...for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health.
Fair enough but lets reverse the role situation--since she's still able to be emotionally amd physically intimate with you (youd just have to do the legwork for her so to speak), what's the comparison you're trying to make? And why specify waist down? Is neck down paralysis off the table for you?
How bout if you were paralyzed waist down? What if she couldn't handle i you not being able to be sexually intimate with her? Would you let her have sex with someone else, try to please her with other means (ie: vibrators), would you pull the "till death do us part" celibacy by circumstance card, or would you set her free *if she was unhappy. I'm NOT saying you cant have a fulfilling relationship in such a circumstance, I'm just wondering your thoughts on an actual relationship crisis situation?
Written by me initially, bolded by me officially
(December 8, 2016 at 12:35 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(December 8, 2016 at 10:41 am)Luckie Wrote: ...why specify waist down? Is neck down paralysis off the table for you?
My vow, to death do us part, extends to cover even a persistent vegetative state in which neither sex nor reciprocal affection would be possible. Whether I would be able to endure that tragedy while honoring that vow is another issue. I can only hope that the Lord would grant me that strength.
Good for you, thanks for the candid answer.
Interesting how you gave yourself an out by saying "hoped" that god would help you "find the strength".
Do you think you're strong enough to endure it right now, sans magical gods extra strength powers?
Additionally would your wife want you to take care of her in a vegetative state the rest of your life? Me, I couldn't do that to my husband. Then again I was raised helping the working in nursing homes, group homes, and with severely incapacitated handicapped individuals. If I needed my spit sucked out of my mouth because I couldn't swallow, and was bedbound in an excruciatingly locked positoon for life, unable to even acknowledge my environment--I sure as hell wouldn't wish my husband to sped the rest of our lives, sucking up my spit. But hey thats me. How's your wife feel on the subject?
Quote:(December 8, 2016 at 10:41 am)Luckie Wrote: How bout if you were paralyzed waist down? ...would you set her free *if she was unhappy.
What makes you assume that people cannot be happy just because sensual pleasure is difficult or impossible? As a general statement, I find it very sad that Western cultures have become so obsessed with sex. Your question, as honest as it may be, seems emblematic of how corrupt and selfish society has become. We have lost the wisdom of prior ages that understood carnal pleasures pale in comparison to the blessings of virtue.
While we both hope our physical intimacy will continue indefinitely, our profound conjugal love goes far beyond sensual pleasures. In the end, I find greater joy in selfless service and tender kindnesses to her. We have discussed all the implications of "till death do us part" and we both agree on what that means. If the only act of physical intimacy that remains for us is to hold hands then that will more than suffice.
Bold added by me.
Why do you keep cherrypicking what I say, to conform it to your "world view of how 'society' blah bla blah?" You did it in my "What I want for Christmas" thread too. Are you purposefully ignoring what I say or are you so biased you honestly can't read things that are outside your box of crippling limitations on humanity's morals sans your god?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.