Prayer

[Asmodee]

I'm not getting into all of this.  The post is way too long,.

I don't mind hearing an opposing point of view.

we shall see...

Wonderful!  Let's start off simply assuming I'm probably a liar.

You realize that you just said exactly the opposite of what I said and it makes no more sense the way you said it.

Maybe it does not make sense because you are looking for something I did not say.

So you refuted both parts of what I said and ended up canceling out your own argument.

Only if you were looking for a stock response. What I refuted was the idea that miracles were in an over abundance. Point in fact only prophets could perform a miracle, and only a handful ever existed. What I also refuted was your assessment that miracles were currently rare, not by saying the opposite and contributing to the ying yang argument you were looking for, but rather turn into your statement and embracing what you said, thereby leveling out your claim by examining the process that you identify a miracle.

To that I will respond with quotes.

First, the big one (I know it's more than one, but it's a general theme rather than a single question).  Miracles were obviously not rare in the Bible.

 Actually they were. remember the bible represents about a 3000 year span and about an 1/8th of the bible's content deals directly with miracles.

I claimed miracles WERE NOT rare in the Bible.  That is what I said, explicitly.  You explicitly stated that miracles WERE rare in the Bible, the exact opposite of what I said.

Why are they so rare now?

there not, I would say they happen in about the same frequency, it now we just call them by different names. "Unexplain medical phenoma or mis diagnosis." (as to why somone wakes up after being pronounced 'brain dead.')

I ask why the ARE rare now.  You respond that the are NOT rare now, again the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I said, then go on to state they happen with the "same frequency".
I said miracles were not rare in the Bible, you said they were.  I said miracles were rare today, you said they were not.  Then you said that they happened with the same frequency then and now, making miracles both rare and not rare, itself a miracle.

If you can't at least admit when you misspoke then why bother having this conversation?  I have no interest in arguing with another theist jackass whose only concern is "winning" the argument.  If you are here to teach, have something worth teaching.  If you are here to learn, be open to learning.  If you are here to argue, I don't have time for you.