RE: Where do emotions such as Love from
June 18, 2011 at 6:09 pm
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2011 at 6:25 pm by Lord Illicious.)
Ace Otana Wrote:You failed to understand my example here as you do with many others.I responded to the question at hand. Don't even bother trying to evade it.[/quote]
Your response is filled with false assumptions that don't even come close to understanding my questions.
Yes, responding to many questions with false assumptions not even staying on its topic.
Quote:It still does not and will never give a reasonable explanation as to why "uncollected matter and energy" was there in the first place.Quote:What makes a chemical reaction exist if there is no purpose?Uncollected matter and energy. We consume food, that food is transferred throughout the body and the brain produces them. Don't need a purpose in order to exist.
Quote:Lets put it up again and see where the deviation is:Quote:So wouldn't an evolutionary purpose to survive have motivation to survive?Motivation? More along the lines of following nature. Good try with the deviation there.
This is from you:
Quote:Single celled lifeforms evolve to become more complex lifeforms. Our evolutionary purpose is to survive and pass on genes.So wouldn't an evolutionary purpose to survive have motivation to survive?
Words in bold that you have used which say "evolutionary purpose to survive" and then i responded with my question.
Now its following nature you say?
So here is a new question:
What would make or motivate life to survive or follow nature?
Quote:So it does have a purpose and that purpose is to survive right?Quote:What purpose would it have to survive if it has nothing to pursue?Pass on genes for the next generation. That's about it. Why? You think life needs a special purpose or something?
Now life has a purpose but it is not special. Your own words.
Quote:I guess. Im here to help and share. Most of my wait is over.Quote:Nope. You will.Still waiting for it though aren't I?
Quote:I can describe what laws this reality holds and how it is used which i have done and will do again.Quote:I believe you do not understand what relative is.I believe you don't understand what reality is.
This reality is basically made of space and energy with relative law.
Quote:Quote:Detecting something is a different subject though it can be related.No, it's on topic. Your just deviating a little here.
Lets go back again:
My comment:
Quote:It is obvious that the relative exists for something to be experienced.Your response with deviation:
Quote: No it's not obvious. You detect things based on what your senses tell you. Got nothing to do with opposites of anything.Detecting and experiencing is different. What your senses tell you from the detection becomes "knowing" it as you said it tells you, so to tell you something you may know it.
To experience it then obviously you need the relative of it or else it will remain as conceptual.
Thus my response:
Quote:Again i see you fail to understand what relative is. It is similar to being dichotomous. Detecting something is a different subject though it can be related.
My comment:
Quote:Not quite. Life that practices evolution and the co-existence of other matter and energy experiences this process thus practices experience.
If you don't experience adaptation, co-existence of other matter and energy then that process of knowledge would only be conceptual.
Quote:If life couldn't detect and adapt to it's environment, it would never need to evolve.Hmm yea it makes sense and i agree but it seems you didn't understand my comment above.
Quote:There is no concept in evolution, only mutation.If evolution involves experience then it first has to seek to know which becomes a concept before the experience.
Here is a brief explanation of it from the The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali:
"Evolution involves experience, the assimilation of experience, and the
transformation (consequential elevation) of one’s consciousness."
Good lord. Mutation?
So far these are the facts you have stated that are tied together:
Natural events occurring with mutating life which have evolutionary purpose to survive which also follows nature.
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Quote:So would that mean the natural events don't need a purpose to exist?Quote:How would it exists by natural events if there was no purpose to create them natural events?The universe doesn't need a purpose to exist.
Is life a natural event?
Quote:I guess life and the universe doesn't make sense. Do they?Quote:Yet your explanations make more sense with nothing that could explain them?It's not like your making any sense.
Quote:Key word here "desire".Quote:If there was no greater purpose to anything then why would one care?Because we are sapient and we desire to be more than we are.
What does life do then? Mutate to be more than what it is or does it desire it?
Quote:Lets try again then with some imagination to better understand how relative work if you will:Quote:I have certainly proven that you do not understand what a relative universe or realm is.Enlighten me.
If everything was all "here" and there was no "there" then energy couldn't have physical form.
Now lets say this energy exists as a concept which can then conceptualize itself with all forms and no form because it is conceptual.
This means conceptually it has a here form, a here and there form, all forms and a no form.
What would this energy need to experience itself with physical form?
Here it is:
It would need both here and there to be present.
It would need both here and there to exist .
It would need it's relative to define itself and vice versa.
What do i mean it needs it's relative?
The relative of here is there. Why? Because here is what is not there.
So then they would define each other.
Now when energy takes form with both here and there present (the relative) it then receives the experience of it's form.
This is what makes physical form and experience possible which is the relative.
The Relative Realm.
Get it?
Quote:Yes but you didn't understand my question.Quote:If nothing was meant for us then why do we have the ability to experience the relative?Don't you mean our natural environment? We can "experience" our environment because it's required for our existence. No special purpose.
Quote:Well i desire you and everyone to be much more than meaningless. Is that a bad thing even if it seems silly?Quote:Your perception of things as you describe are meaningless which includes your own existence.I'm ok with that.
Quote:Ill use my answer above explaining the relative for the rest of this.Quote:Fair enough then.In a relative realm? Thought you were the one to blab on about that bit?
Explain then how natural events exist in a relative realm that makes experience possible.
Quote:Then explain how experience has no purpose.It's utterly meaningless. It's not about purpose. I experience heat and cold because I can detect them. Simple as. No law or greater purpose required.
Quote:If everything everywhere was only cold how would you know what cold is if that is all there is?My body's temperature functions at 37 degrees Celsius. If my body detected temperatures greater than that, then I'll experience heat without having to first experience cold.
I'm working with everything you mentioned.
There is no purpose to heat or cold. They are natural states of energy. That's all.
Quote:Your knowledge of it would be conceptual because you don't know what is "not" cold.Knowing of hot or cold is simply being aware of different energy states. Where's that big special purpose bit supposed to come in? Different energy states are there not simply for us to experience, but are there by nature.
You have the delusion that there's a purpose to everything, when in fact, hardly anything has a purpose to it. This universe was not made for us.
Quote:I would only know here and there as a concept because everything would be only here.So being aware of distance involves a purpose as well does it?
Quote:This why the relative realm exists. To make experience possible for life.It makes no sense at all mate. You have confused natural states of energy and space with the need for purpose. That's all you've really done.
Debunked!
Quote:If you still do not see it then tell me how experience is possible.Being able to detect different energy states. Energy states that are governed by laws of nature.
Quote:I think my last answer above, answers all of these.Oh good, because I've just blew'em apart.
(June 18, 2011 at 3:26 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: To be honest this post seems just like pseudo-intellectual masturbation without any actual substance. Plus, I fucking hate colors because I am color-blind. Being color-blind however, let's me know how fallible my senses are and not to take anything for granted, which you seem to think is a good thing. The human brain is a magnificently delusional and fallible organ, so to say something exists because you experience it is delusional on the magnitude of any other beliefs that humans cling to.
Im sorry you feel that way. So if that is your perception of the human brain then by what you said, nothing can exist.