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Deism! (and pantheism and Pandeism, and polypanendeism...)
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RE: Deism! (and pantheism and Pandeism, and polypanendeism...)
(June 19, 2011 at 1:12 am)Stue Denim Wrote: But again, the belief, what do you guys believe is the case in regards to its power (infinite, or only powerful enough to create this universe),

Powerful enough to get the ball rolling. An all powerful deity wouldn't need to rely on the mechanic of evolution but could create everything as desired. Then again, the "omni" words are so prone to paradox.

Quote:location (watching the universe, gone off elsewhere...)
Not sure. I don't think that God has a personal relationship with us or is watching us now. The scale of the universe is such that the Creator might not be aware of us on an individual level (see my cultivated bacteria cell in the dish analogy).

Quote:and it's motives? Or at least your speculations on what you think is most likely, assuming deism of some sort is true.
Perhaps reflecting our own motivations to create. Maybe we're a chip off the old block in that we're not content with just existing. We want to create things almost for its own sake.

What are you open to in terms agnosticism and belief in regards to the more specific variants like Polydeism, pandeism, panendeism polypandeism & polypanendiesm...?
Regarding pantheism and pandeism, there are actually two variants I've encountered:

"Scientific pantheists" believe the God is the universe but this "god" isn't conscious. This seems like atheism with category confusion to me.

Traditional pantheists (or whatever the proper term is) believe that the universe does have a collective conscious will. I have two problems with this view. First, how can you have consciousness without a brain or a brain analog? Also, how does the collective will differ from the will of the component parts, like you or me?

Quote:Hows acceptance of deists wherever it is that you are? Better than atheists no doubt, but still...
Christians can't tell the difference any more than I can distinguish different brands of Protestantism. I'm to the point where I don't even correct anyone who says I'm an atheist.
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RE: Deism! (and pantheism and Pandeism, and polypanendeism...) - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2011 at 5:47 pm

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