what do you all see in spiritualism?

[robvalue]

Yes. I'm just trying to point out that some of us have defined it for ourselves such that it doesn't beggar reason, and therefore a sweeping generalization about woo and wooists isn't accurate.

Right, well if you go back over my posts in this thread you'll see that I've made it quite clear that I appreciate both sides. You've just picked out one post out of many here and are representing my whole position with it. I've tried to explain that, and I've acknowledged your point already, so you're just repeating yourself. I'll be dropping this now. I've made my position on this clear on the forum many times. There's two main usages, but I'm not always talking about them both every time. It depends on context.