(December 17, 2016 at 7:29 am)Ignorant Wrote: 1) No. God created all of us so that even those who suffer and live in misery can share in God's life and joy, even in the midst of that suffering and misery. Christians suffer too, and they praise the glory of his creation because his creation includes the resurrection and renewal of all things, and not merely this age which is "passing away".
2) He created us to share in his life, not bow before him. Sharing the divinity causes you to kneel in humility, rather than kneeling causes you to share in the divinity.
3) I am pretty sure everyone suffers, and some more than others. He let himself suffer, and united his suffering to all of ours. His divinity can transform my suffering and sublimate it, because he suffered it right there with me. In this way, I don't put up with it in anticipation of going to heaven. Instead, heaven itself has come to me in my suffering. The suffering remains real, but it is suffered WITH the divinity itself. That is a game changer for the poor and the oppressed and the outcast.
4) It certainly makes it easier knowing that God himself has gone through all of it with us.
1) How can we share in god's life and joy if we are suffering? Should five year old children with cancer be joyous that they are sharing god's life and joy while they go through chemotherapy?
2) How do you know this? What is your proof for this? Some verse in the bible?There is no humility in bowing to a nonexistent god... only shame.
3) Most, if not all individuals, experience hardship in some way, shape or form. But I'm sorry the fact that I experienced some traumatic events in my childhood does not compare to a child being born with no arms or legs... That is suffering. And you think this is okay because at least this child got the opportunity to suffer with god? You're an asshole.
4) No, it doesn't because there is no proof that your god even exists.
I bow before no god. Especially not one that lets five year old kids starve to death, or get bone cancer, or die of some tropical disease from a fucking bug bite. If you really believe what you're saying you are a sick fuck.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
