(December 18, 2016 at 1:13 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:(December 18, 2016 at 12:47 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We already know that stuff is bad for the environment regardless of whether or not it changes the climate. If there is a cleaner way of doing things, we should try to take that approach anyway. Even if climate change wasn't a thing.
That's an extremely naive view. How is CO2 "bad for the environment regardless of whether or not it changes the climate"? If it doesn't change the climate, then who cares? It'll just get used up by plants over time.
Humans will affect the environment, one way or another. There are just a great - and growing - number of us and we need a lot of sh*t. Saying that we just have to be doing things in "cleaner way" is meaningless, if you don't know what the "cleaner way" is. And if man-made climate change doesn't exist - a lot of people will lose jobs and a lot of money will be spent for nothing. That money could help feed the starving, or develop cancer treatments.
The reason we have smart people, who study the environment, is so that we know what the most pressing dangers are. Science id not a democracy. And stupid people - especially those with a proven track record of delusion - shouldn't have a say in this.
To be fair to Catholic Lady, she is right, but for the wrong reasons.
I have made the same arguments, not to appeal to my side, but to appeal to any pragmatism we could pull from others.
Climate change IS fact, if others want to claim it is natural and we are not causing it, YES that is bullshit, we are causing it.
Her point is and I agree, it should not matter. Burning oil today in our age of wind, and solar and geothermal technology is like insisting on using a rotary phone in an age of cell phones.
It does matter in that we ARE causing it. But if the climate change deniers want to claim humans are not causing it, fine, it should still remain with all our advances that we can move from less polluting and more efficient energy. A clogged toilet on the north poll is just as clogged as a clogged toilet on the equator.
Climate change deniers are bat shit insane science deniers. But even without that fact, they should also want up to date technology. Insisting on using fossil fuels today is like insisting on using rotary phones in an age of cell phones.
