Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 8, 2026, 6:36 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
(December 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm)RozKek Wrote:
(December 18, 2016 at 3:20 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: To the envelope question.... I don't see how an unknown envelope (no matter what it contains) can effect your choice or free will.

Then you're either not very intelligent or willfully ignorant. If the envelope says you're going to walk through door A, then your will is already determined to walk through door A, you can't walk through any other door but A, in that case it is isn't free. It is your will, but it isn't a free will because it's determined. It seriously doesn't get easier than that, if you don't understand that, there's no hope.

So; what is the difference if you go through door A and there is no envelope with the prediction? What does it mean that you do not have freedom in this sense?
I could will to fly like a bird, but I'm not free to do so.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 6:18 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:35 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 15, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 16, 2016 at 7:59 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 17, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by RoadRunner79 - December 18, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by deleteduser12345 - December 23, 2016 at 5:08 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will ShinyCrystals 268 78362 June 23, 2025 at 10:23 pm
Last Post: awty
  Theists, provide your arguments for God. Disagreeable 41 10465 August 9, 2024 at 12:22 pm
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  Free Will Theodicy FlatAssembler 64 14848 July 13, 2023 at 2:15 pm
Last Post: Bucky Ball
  Serious question about thoughts on theists Kingpin 118 29667 May 18, 2023 at 2:44 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Theists: What is your stance on evolution? Agnostic1 118 29670 March 27, 2022 at 8:48 pm
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  On the lunacy of free will slartibartfast 152 31099 October 20, 2021 at 12:50 am
Last Post: Oldandeasilyconfused
  If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything? Paraselene 184 48271 September 10, 2021 at 4:20 pm
Last Post: Dundee
  Theists, tell me, an atheist, why your God has neglected to show himself to me? ignoramus 75 39633 March 5, 2021 at 6:49 am
Last Post: awty
  If artificial super intelligence erases humans, will theists see this as God's plan? Face2face 24 10470 March 5, 2021 at 6:40 am
Last Post: awty
  Am I right to assume, that theists cannot prove that I am not god? Vast Vision 116 59874 March 5, 2021 at 6:39 am
Last Post: awty



Users browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)