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Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen?
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RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen?
(December 19, 2016 at 4:27 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(December 19, 2016 at 1:12 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: How did you come to that conclusion?  I don't see the multiplication and addition of micro + time resulting in macro... what is your evidence or reasoning for this claim?

Also, in most of the fossil record we see either very small differences, over very large periods of time, and fairly large changes over relatively short periods of time.  How do you account for this as you have defined things here?

That would be down to the evolutionary pressures, if the environment favours the current body it does not change much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth

But at other times the environment changes or another creature starts to invade the territory or lady squid start liking men squid with extra large tentacles.

Then you see relatively rapid changes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_finches

Quote:Developmental research in 2004 found that bone morphogenetic protein 4 (BMP4), and its differential expression during development, resulted in variation of beak size and shape among finches. BMP4 acts in the developing embryo to lay down skeletal features, including the beak.[28] The same group showed that the development of the different beak shapes in Darwin's finches are also influenced by slightly different timing and spatial expressions of a gene called calmodulin (CaM).[29] Calmodulin acts in a similar way to BMP4, affecting some of the features of beak growth. The authors suggest that changes in the temporal and spatial expression of these two factors are possible developmental controls of beak morphology. In a recent study genome sequencing revealed a 240 kilobase haplotype encompassing the ALX1 gene that encodes a transcription factor affecting craniofacial development is strongly associated with beak shape diversity


So sometimes subtle tweeks can exert large influences on body or in this case beak shape and will of course be due to evolution proceses.


I agree with pretty much all of that. I would also consider it to be microevolution or natural variation. I don't believe that it explains large changes in body plan or morphology. What is the mechanism or theory, by which these types of changes occur? Or if understanding is lacking, what is the evidence, that these did occur as the story is told? We do are best to connect the dots, as evolution tells us, but what tells us, that we should be drawing these lines at all?

This highly regarded chemist says that he doesn't understand it, and seems to say that there is a distinction.

Quote:http://www.uncommondescent.com/intellige...evolution/

Let me tell you what goes on in the back rooms of science – with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. I have sat with them, and when I get them alone, not in public – because it’s a scary thing, if you say what I just said – I say, “Do you understand all of this, where all of this came from, and how this happens?” Every time that I have sat with people who are synthetic chemists, who understand this, they go “Uh-uh. Nope.” These people are just so far off, on how to believe this stuff came together. I’ve sat with National Academy members, with Nobel Prize winners. Sometimes I will say, “Do you understand this?”And if they’re afraid to say “Yes,” they say nothing. They just stare at me, because they can’t sincerely do it.

...But about seven or eight years ago I posted on my Web site that I don’t understand. And I said, “I will buy lunch for anyone that will sit with me and explain to me evolution, and I won’t argue with you until I don’t understand something – I will ask you to clarify. But you can’t wave by and say, “This enzyme does that.” You’ve got to get down in the details of where molecules are built, for me. Nobody has come forward.

...Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom.
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RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Jesster - December 18, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Jesster - December 19, 2016 at 12:23 am
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Tonus - December 18, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Amarok - December 18, 2016 at 10:50 pm
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by paulpablo - December 18, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Jesster - December 19, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Jesster - December 19, 2016 at 1:18 am
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Jesster - December 19, 2016 at 1:43 am
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Jesster - December 19, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by RoadRunner79 - December 19, 2016 at 9:07 am
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Amarok - December 19, 2016 at 4:28 am
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by chimp3 - December 19, 2016 at 8:23 pm
RE: Test My Theory: Macro evolution DOES happen? - by Amarok - December 20, 2016 at 6:12 am

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