(January 9, 2017 at 3:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:At this point I'm not even open to arguments. There is no logical argument which is going to magic God into existence any more than there is any logical argument which is going to prove that magic isn't real. If you say that you're open to "reasoned arguments" you're only inviting these same, tired old shit arguments where the theist thinks that if they can just be witty enough with the wording they'll back you into a corner and you'll be forced to admit that magic is really, really real without all the bothersome nonsense of having to provide the actual evidence the various religious people and texts claim is readily available...until I ask for it.(January 4, 2017 at 1:48 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I find in telling people already know there are no proofs for God before proofs are presented. *smiles*
There is nothing new.
Collectively, we have heard all arguments ever presented.
Yours are not new. They are just different versions of the same old, same old...
Quote:There were valid arguments presented before, what was disputed was not the validity of the argument, but if all the premises were sound. So I have new angles and arguments to prove all the premises are sound.
No they weren't.
I can remember refuting the validity of your arguments. I was almost always ignored.
Quote:Why do you in haste conclude there is no evidence or proof?
Because we have heard it all.
I am always open to demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid and sound logic to support the claim that a god or gods exist. But if all you have to offer are variations of long refuted arguments, save us all the time.
Theists wan me to believe magic is real. They're trying to sell be eternal life AFTER I die. I don't care what argument you give me, I'm not buying the Brooklyn Bridge from you until you can provide EVIDENCE that you have an actual right to sell it. How much more evidence should I ask for when you're selling me something I have to die to get, AND that thing is that I will never die? It's almost as if they product were designed to be undisprovable, as all the best snake oils are.
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