(January 15, 2017 at 6:50 pm)Aroura Wrote:(January 15, 2017 at 5:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Right.Wait, I think I might have a better way to explain it.
When a religious person does something bad, it's because of religion. When a religious person does something good, inspired by and influenced by his/her religions to do it, all of the sudden religion has nothing to do with it.
Quoting "Steven Weinberg" (whoever he is) doesn't make this inconsistency/double standard any less bs.
You are a good person, CL. Everyone who meets you discovers this, and pretty much agrees.
If something happened to you that caused you to lose your faith, and you were to join us heathens....nothing would change. You would still be a good person. You would still be the kind woman who wants to help children and the less fortunate. You would still be understanding of other viewpoints, because whether you realize it or not your religion isn't making you do good things or be a good person. You aren't shallow, you do not need the threats of hell or the rewards of heaven to motivate you to do the right thing. You do them because they are the right thing.
It can motivate people to do the wrong thing though, because their priest or holy book tells them so they might come to believe it is right, and gods laws would override puny human laws or concerns. Does that make more sense?
Thank you for the compliments. I'll have to disagree though. If you claim religion (or a priest or a holy book) can influence people to do bad things, there's no reason why it can't influence people to do good things. I think when someone attributes people's bad actions to their religion, but then does not attribute good actions to it, it's really unfair and clearly biased.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh