Tooth Fairy Bullshit

[Aroura]

Wait, I think I might have a better way to explain it.

You are a good person, CL. Everyone who meets you discovers this, and pretty much agrees.
If something happened to you that caused you to lose your faith, and you were to join us heathens....nothing would change. You would still be a good person. You would still be the kind woman who wants to help children and the less fortunate. You would still be understanding of other viewpoints, because whether you realize it or not your religion isn't making you do good things or be a good person. You aren't shallow, you do not need the threats of hell or the rewards of heaven to motivate you to do the right thing. You do them because they are the right thing.

It can motivate people to do the wrong thing though, because their priest or holy book tells them so they might come to believe it is right, and gods laws would override puny human laws or concerns. Does that make more sense?

Thank you for the compliments. I'll have to disagree though. If you claim religion (or a priest or a holy book) can influence people to do bad things, there's no reason why it can't influence people to do good things. I think when someone attributes people's bad actions to their religion, but then does not attribute good actions to it, it's really unfair and clearly biased.

Please point out how it is bias?

It may seem like common sense, but you know common sense is just flat out wrong as often as not.

There may be specific I stances where religion influenced a person to do a good thing, bit the point is, people n general will do those good things even without religion. Unless you honestly believe all of us on this forum dont do good things?

And evil people will do bad things regardless of religion. Believe in god and thinking they will go to hell didn't stop any number of serial killers and such. Lack of religion doesn't make a bad person more evil, either.

But for a good , nonviolent, normal person to become a murders requires some extreme, and religion can provide that extreme, though it is not the only influence that can.

It's not bias to say religion does not cause morality, its fact. To be clear, its the other way round. Human Morality causes religion. All evidence points to this.

I understand you will continue to disagree, otherwise what would be the point of belief? Which is really my point, too.

Hey, btw, why does a gorilla adopt a kitten and care for it she it could easily rip it to bits or squash it? The kitten does not feed the gorilla, it is not really anything to the gorilla except extra work. Yes, it gets cuddles, but A snake would eat the kitten without a second thought, even if the kitten tried to give it the same cuddles.

Neither the gorilla nor the snake are good or evil, unless you are the kitten of course, they are just acting according to their natures. And so it is with humans. Our natures are social, like the gorilla. We don't need a priest to tell us to care for the kitten, we just naturally do it. Good ones anyway. The bad ones light it on fire. With or without the idea of god.