(January 16, 2017 at 7:57 pm)Asmodee Wrote: Finally, that I don't know the cause for something IN NO WAY says that I cannot know what was NOT the cause. Do you claim to not know the universe was not caused by sentient marshmallows? Do you feel the need to evaluate this ludicrous claim? Are you not thinking seriously about it, knowing full well you will never know for sure that sentient marshmallows didn't create the universe? No. You dismiss it immediately. Did you do that because you DO know what caused the universe? No. You may think you know, but you have no proof and therefore it is a belief, not knowledge. So YOU "don't know" what caused the universe, but you are reasonable in your assumption that you can rule out sentient marshmallows. And if you did not immediately rule out sentient marshmallows then you're just stupid. Why would something utterly stupid that I just made up be deserving of serious consideration instead of simple cursory dismissal? It would not. There are a million things you "know" didn't cause the universe, and not one of those things is something you know because you have any real knowledge of what did cause the universe. You CAN both not know what IS the cause AND know what is not the cause.
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I love when you guys come up with silly analogies proving that you missed the point...
We are talking about a point in time where as Simon put it "no space at all, and no time, no particles, no fields, no laws of nature" existed. In order for a sentient marshmallow to exist, the former has to also exist, so I can safely rule out sentient marshmallow on that basis.
However God is a spirit. A spirit does not exist within the laws of nature, it is a supernatural being, and therefore not affected by natural law, particles, fields, or time...
