Tooth Fairy Bullshit

[Asmodee]

Finally, that I don't know the cause for something IN NO WAY says that I cannot know what was NOT the cause.  Do you claim to not know the universe was not caused by sentient marshmallows?  Do you feel the need to evaluate this ludicrous claim?  Are you not thinking seriously about it, knowing full well you will never know for sure that sentient marshmallows didn't create the universe?  No.  You dismiss it immediately.  Did you do that because you DO know what caused the universe?  No.  You may think you know, but you have no proof and therefore it is a belief, not knowledge.  So YOU "don't know" what caused the universe, but you are reasonable in your assumption that you can rule out sentient marshmallows.  And if you did not immediately rule out sentient marshmallows then you're just stupid.  Why would something utterly stupid that I just made up be deserving of serious consideration instead of simple cursory dismissal?  It would not.  There are a million things you "know" didn't cause the universe, and not one of those things is something you know because you have any real knowledge of what did cause the universe.  You CAN both not know what IS the cause AND know what is not the cause.

*emphasis mine*

I love when you guys come up with silly analogies proving that you missed the point...

We are talking about a point in time where as Simon put it "no space at all, and no time, no particles, no fields, no laws of nature" existed. In order for a sentient marshmallow to exist, the former has to also exist, so I can safely rule out sentient marshmallow on that basis.

However God is a spirit. A spirit does not exist within the laws of nature, it is a supernatural being, and therefore not affected by natural law, particles, fields, or time...

Was I talking about that?  Did I quote that?  You were responding to my response to what he said, but that's not what he said that I was responding to.  So yeah, I missed your point because you had some context in your head that you never articulated in words so that I could figure out what you were talking about and, given what I had quoted, that context was not a given.

You sure have a strange notion about how imaginary things work.  A sentient marshmallow is, in fact, a "primary being" (that's a new term and it's MINE!) which requires no other existence to, itself, exist.  All regular marshmallows are made in its image.  All sentient marshmallows can go invisible at will, too, but they can't go visible at will.  Because they existed before time and space, being the cause for it all, most of them are now permanently invisible.  Unfortunately sentient marshmallows are not perfect beings.  That's why the universe is so fucked up, as evidenced by the fact that Pauly Shore once had a career.

As for that last statement, PROVE IT.  You BELIEVE God is a spirit which is real.  You BELIEVE a spirit does not exist within the laws of nature.  You BELIEVE it is not affected by natural laws, particles, fields, time.  However, so called "ghost hunters" disagree with you on much of that.  They believe that either a spirit IS affected by its environment or, at least, has a discernible effect on its environment.  They believe that large quartz deposits (crystals are shiny, thus, magic) effect the formation of certain spirit types.  They believe that a magnetic field feeds a spirit energy.  They believe spirits are actually made of energy and, in fact, many believe God is made of some form of energy because it just sounds really cool and mysterious, so pretend it's not stupid.

What you have are beliefs.  Stating those beliefs as if you know what you're talking about, that only makes you sound smart to stupid people.  And believing that imaginary beings have to follow some rules of the universe, that isn't the smartest thing anyone has ever said to me either.  God is an imaginary being who doesn't have to follow the rules of the universe, so what's different about sentient marshmallows?  You're applying the rules which govern REGULAR marshmallows.  Just as the rules which govern man don't effect God, the rules which govern regular marshmallows don't effect sentient marshmallows.

But you were right about one thing.  The analogy was, in fact, "silly".  THAT WAS THE POINT!  Your God is equally as silly.  Describe him.  "He's the bestest best that was ever bestest at anything!  He's the most good!  He's the most loving!  He's the most fair!  He's the strongest!  Nobody is even close to him!"  That's a child on the playground describing his super powers.